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Posted: October 07 2018 at 13:35
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
Much worse than a drunken rapist? I doubt that.
Really? Ultimately what will matter are a judge's rulings and opinions, and he might turn out to be moderate in that area. I'll take a molesting sot over a hard rightist who intends to ignore established law (such as Roe v Wade, civil rights, etc.) .
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Posted: October 07 2018 at 12:00
^ It was not the Dems that jumped on the Michael Avanotti gang rape accusation, only the Ford and Ramirez claims, in which they petitioned the FBI investigation. Had they quizzed Kavanaugh about the 4th Amendment, he just would have spun more BS while winking at the Republican Senators. He didn't get to be a high court judge by being stupid.
Edited by SteveG - October 07 2018 at 12:02
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Posted: October 07 2018 at 11:40
I had issues with Kavanaugh's 4th Amendment rulings. Several Kavanaugh rulings have NOT been privacy friendly. I love personal privacy. Why didn't the Dems hammer Kavanaugh on the 4th Amendment? But no, the Dems messed by supporting Uncollaborated dry humping, dick slapping, Gang Rape Cartel accusations. My favorite Kitty sums it up...
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Posted: October 07 2018 at 11:20
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I beg to differ. It looks more like abuse of democracy to me.
Democracy does not mean: you elected us so we can do what we want until the next election, although it's undoubtedly and increasingly treated that way.
Have you actually followed and understood all that has transpired? I doubt it. Let me explain democracy in terms that I think you can understand. I think that Republican Senators are douche bags. I just said so in print. It's only in a democracy that criticizing government officials won't get you poisoned the next day. Why is it that so many Europeans like yourself that are so close to, and in many aspects, still live in the shadow of the former USSR criticize democracies more than any other forms of government?
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Posted: October 07 2018 at 01:25
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There's no proof of that, though. And before you wish to argue it doesn't matter, Slavo Zizek and co vociferously argued for a NYU professor accused of sexual abuse on the grounds that she had been such an important contributor to the cause of feminism. No sh*t! America really couldn't get back the middle soon enough. This tribalistic war with both sides playing victim and pretending the other is evil incarnate will consume democracy one day. When I read NYT and National Review, they are literally diametrically opposite versions of the same events, especially on a divisive issue like the Kavanaugh nomination. This is insane. I think the post modern fantasy of there being different versions of the truth has run its course and society should start to care about THE truth before it collapses on a thousand stinking lies.
As you can see from this thread, the left has completely abandoned the principle of due process, so I wouldn't get your hopes up about the middle coming back anytime soon.
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Posted: October 06 2018 at 23:29
rogerthat wrote:
There's no proof of that, though. And before you wish to argue it doesn't matter, Slavo Zizek and co vociferously argued for a NYU professor accused of sexual abuse on the grounds that she had been such an important contributor to the cause of feminism. No sh*t! America really couldn't get back the middle soon enough. This tribalistic war with both sides playing victim and pretending the other is evil incarnate will consume democracy one day. When I read NYT and National Review, they are literally diametrically opposite versions of the same events, especially on a divisive issue like the Kavanaugh nomination. This is insane. I think the post modern fantasy of there being different versions of the truth has run its course and society should start to care about THE truth before it collapses on a thousand stinking lies.
As you can see from this thread, the left has completely abandoned the principle of due process, so I wouldn't get your hopes up about the middle coming back anytime soon.
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Posted: October 06 2018 at 21:52
There's no proof of that, though. And before you wish to argue it doesn't matter, Slavo Zizek and co vociferously argued for a NYU professor accused of sexual abuse on the grounds that she had been such an important contributor to the cause of feminism. No sh*t! America really couldn't get back the middle soon enough. This tribalistic war with both sides playing victim and pretending the other is evil incarnate will consume democracy one day. When I read NYT and National Review, they are literally diametrically opposite versions of the same events, especially on a divisive issue like the Kavanaugh nomination. This is insane. I think the post modern fantasy of there being different versions of the truth has run its course and society should start to care about THE truth before it collapses on a thousand stinking lies.
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Posted: October 06 2018 at 18:02
Interesting thing is if Kavy had been taken down and Trump chose someone else, that person could've been worse. Much, much worse. I have little doubt Kavanaugh is Mr. Rogers compared to who else is lurking in the dark shadows of the judicial Right.
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Posted: October 06 2018 at 17:12
"Abuse of democracy" ? You mean like when a president sends troops to invade another country without approval?; When a spy agency secretly bumps someone off?; A central bank increases interest rates?
There's nothing illegitimate about a nominee being elected as long as enough representatives support someone and procedures are followed. We can only legitimately complain about the nominee, not the institution. This is the great experiment, the tug-of-war between passionate and sincere beliefs, and that really sucks sometimes.
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Posted: October 06 2018 at 16:01
I beg to differ. It looks more like abuse of democracy to me.
Democracy does not mean: you elected us so we can do what we want until the next election, although it's undoubtedly and increasingly treated that way.
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Posted: October 06 2018 at 07:54
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what do you think WalMart shopper does in Mississippi... praise God for the GOP representing them keeping their country white and God primary and Guns aplenty... before they return to the trailer home and the junked out cars in the front lawn...
Yeah, but one man's poverty is another man's paradise!
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Posted: October 06 2018 at 07:46
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and the funny thing.. and this is more directed to you Steve... is there are silver linings... the most obvious is his elevation is very highly likely to mean 2018 and especially 2020 see greater involvement and passion to see the Senate, and the Presidency flip... if the Dem's don't retake the Senate in 2018.. and they likely won't for the math was too much, they will in 2020 for that math is much MUCH more favorable.. on top of a Presidentail race when already will maximize the get out the vote.
as a note.. in less than 24 hours the PAC set up to win Collins's seat in 2020 has recieved more than 2 MILLION DOLLARS in donations. Note that most Senators have a total campaign warchest of single digits millions. Her vote was, I do believe, done knowing she will not be facing reelection for that seat. She was already likely facing a tough primary opponent from the right (don't forget her Obamacare vote) .. now knowing full well she was losing most non-Wynette women with that yes vote.. she knew going into that vote that a Yes vote wouldn't save her from the far right.. but lost any chance of crossover moderates and independents. There has been a lot of talk about her and 2020. I think that Kavanaugh vote was a huge hint she does not plan to seek reelection in 2020.
but the one I really can see happening.. his elevation saves.. not dooms Roe v. Wade. I really can see Roberts splitting and being the opposite swing vote for understanding the court now has a legitimacy problem and that case and a reversal would forever fracture the one thing he cares about passionately... the integrity of the SCOTUS. Thanks to Kavanaugh any reversal would not be seen in legal terms, but political ones and dont' tell me that it wouldn't if not for Kavanaugh, for as I said and most people do understand it even if one does not agree with it. There is a non political LEGAL basis for reversing it. However there is no chance in hell that legal viewpoint will be recognized with Kavanaugh on the court.
What really annoyed me about Collins' closing speech was the fact that it was so obviously staged for dramatic effect. She claimed to be undecided until the last minute and then closes with a speech full of numerous court decisions, statistical facts and a potpourri of scurrilous "facts" about Kavanaugh, the Dems and the judicial process in a speech which would have taken days to write by professional speech writers instead of the few hours that Collins had before speaking at the Senate. She stroked Trump's ego and by proxy exonerated him from his own sexual allegations while now claiming the that GOP were now the keepers of the moral high ground in order to brown nose McConnell. Sickening.
As far as Roe v Wade, that is somewhat secondary to the Right's insistence on limiting and restricting state's rights concerning abortions. And Kavanaugh is all for that.
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Posted: October 06 2018 at 06:50
what do you think WalMart shopper does in Mississippi... praise God for the GOP representing them keeping their country white and God primary and Guns aplenty... before they return to the trailer home and the junked out cars in the front lawn...
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