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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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It's almost if its accessibility takes it down a notch for whatever reason these days. But their writing was top notch on this album and their playing at its peak. All well captured by brilliant production as well. Overall, one of the best Genesis albums. On this album, they effortlessly traverse through a variety of styles and throw melody, hooks, virtuosity all in plenty at you.
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Grumpyprogfan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 09 2019 Location: Kansas City Status: Offline Points: 10197 |
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My first reaction of Trick was killer album. And it still is.
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M27Barney ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 09 2006 Location: Swinton M27 Status: Offline Points: 3136 |
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Well. I got into Genesis first in the hot summer of 1976, aged 11. I had been exposed via my older brother since 1970 but really took no notice as he howled "Lilly white Lilith" to me as I played with Lego...Saw them live in 1977 at Earls court darn sarf...Was hooked straight away...but SEBTP and Foxtrot and Nursery Cryme have always been better than trick and Wuthering...
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The Dark Elf ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 12789 |
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Heard Dance on a Volcano and was immediately impressed at how much better Genesis sounded.
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 26471 |
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Apples and Oranges. There is no right or wrong with music. Lamb kicks pretty much beats everything if you just take the good bits. Genesis up to Trick were probably the most important and influential prog band although Tony Banks was never a great keyboard innovator like Keith Emerson or Rick Wakeman which is why I need other stuff. Lyrically though they wiped the floor with almost everything bar VDGG and maybe Tull. It's just great that we don't have to subtract anything and can have it all!
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M27Barney ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 09 2006 Location: Swinton M27 Status: Offline Points: 3136 |
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Here is my order of precedence...
1. England. 2. Foxtrot. 3. Cryme. 4. Lamb. 5. Trespass. 6. Wuthering 7. Tail. The post 1977 releases are several magnitudes inferior obviously... |
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Offline Points: 35570 |
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When I heard "Trick of the Tail" for the first time, Phil Collins sounded so much like Peter Gabriel that it took me awhile to realise that Genesis had a new singer in the band.
![]() "Ripples" on the "Trick of the Tail" album is one of my favourite Genesis songs, although I much prefer Annie Haslam's (of Renaissance) version. "From Genesis To Revelation" is my all-time favourite Genesis album, closely followed by "Selling England by the Pound".
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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Sure, I got that that's what you meant and was agreeing with you. That is, that the accessibility of Trick of the tail is deceptive because it's still full fledged prog.
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pussywillow ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: January 30 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 20 |
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Well I wasn't that keen at the time, mainly because I'd been brought up on the humour and lyrical adroitness of Selling England and the brilliance of The Lamb, and felt sad that Pete Gabriel had gone.
However I soon got hooked on this and, along with my brother, we looked forward to the new direction the band was taking. I stayed onboard until And Then there were three, and jumped ship thereafter. For me, Trick of the Tail comes 3rd behind England and Lamb. |
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PussyWillow is the best distillation of the classic Tull formula, juxtaposing Anderson's gruff but expressive vocals and a strong, insistent melody bolstered by well-placed, crunchy guitar chords.
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 26471 |
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1.Trick (5.0) 2.Fox (5.0) 3.Three (4.5) 4.Lamb (4.0) 5.Cryme (4.0) 6.Duke (3.5) 7.Selling (3.5) 8.Trespass (3.5) 9.Wind (3.5) The post |
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M27Barney ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 09 2006 Location: Swinton M27 Status: Offline Points: 3136 |
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I find it strange that anybody would rate SEBTP so low. Admittedly more fool me is so sh*te it is the iceberg that holes the flawless titanic beneath the waterline...If you replaced that awful track with an extended Firth of Fifth you would put a country mile between that release and every other symphonic prog album ever made...
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Am I the only person that doesn’t think more fool me is bad, I’d say after the ordeal is the “worst” track if I HAD to chose one |
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M27Barney ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 09 2006 Location: Swinton M27 Status: Offline Points: 3136 |
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After the ordeal could also be replaced by an even more extended opening track...
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My college roommate, Wayne, detested Gabriel-era Genesis, so I used to enjoy taunting him with it. When "Voyage of the Acolyte" came out, I played it for him and he really enjoyed it! I pointed out that most of the players were from Genesis, and he just went *harummph!* or some such.
I wanted to spring "Trick" on him, but he heard it before I could get my hands on him....predictably, he not only became a huge fan of TOTT, but of all Genesis, including Gabriel's era. It was quite hilarious! I only saw Genesis on their ATTWT tour, which was excellent (with Wayne, of course!). Seeing them with Bruford would have been quite amazing!
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 26471 |
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not really paying attention ..you know how much I hate Epping Forest
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M27Barney ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 09 2006 Location: Swinton M27 Status: Offline Points: 3136 |
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Epping Forest was an instrumental peice that gabriel then added the lyrics to. Perhaps there is too much going on for some people. But as prog lyrics go I think that Gabriel nails the zeitgeist of sixties gangland culture. Fine comedic social comment. Banks and collins tried to do the same with Robbery, Assault n Battery...but fail miserably...After Harold the Barrel, the lyrics in battle are the best comedy lyrics Genesis did...
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I think I was 7 when it came out, so I wasn't aware of the band at all, in any incarnation.
I didn't hear Trick until around 1985. It remains my favourite Genesis album. Brilliant. I'd heard Trick, ATTWT and Genesis (Shapes) before I heard any Gabriel era stuff. I heard the Lamb next, and my mind was completely blown, and The Lamb remains joint second fave with Foxtrot I guess. |
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I was 19 years old at the time ATOTT was released. First, I was glad to see that Genesis had carried on as a band. Popular sentiment at the time was that they could not survive the loss of Peter Gabriel. Second, the album itself was great. Not only did they survive, they actually thrived. My favorite Genesis album to this day.
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