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    Posted: April 03 2024 at 11:47
Originally posted by Argo2112 Argo2112 wrote:

King Crimson. I could never get in to Van Der Graaf.

I'm the same. Strangely enough, I'd rather listen to Discipline than VDGG; I just find their music more palatable, even though VDGG's clearly their biggest influence.


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I went with KC.
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Both are truly great, but, since I like Red and Usa better than any studio or live VDGG album, I have to vote Crimson.
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I like both, but voted for Van der Graaf Generator Smile
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Love them both, but VDGG Takes it
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Oh, VDGG... I do like KC (up to 1975), but for me, there's no contest
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Van Der Graaf Generator

The polls would be interesting to have some of their albums against each other. Some tough choice polls for sure. LOL
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Peak achievements = Tie
While KC has four albums of "super elite" quality (1, 3, 5, 7), none of them wins convincingly with Godbluff or Pawn Hearts.

Prime = King Crimson (small gap)
If there was a competition between KC's and VDGG's best 3-5 albums, Crimson would have it, but the difference is miniscule. Gap would grow bigger with 8-10 albums comparison, though... Unless we include PH solo stuff to VDGG catalogue, but that's cheating.

Late career = Van Der Graaf Generator (by default)
Only 1 full LP with new studio material since 2000 for King Crimson. VDGG takes it by default, although Present was a very respectable album. I miss David Jackson though.

Influence on me = King Crimson
I love labyrinthine, brooding textures of early VDGG and I can't deny they made my mind travel to a really distant, unique places in the past... BUT King Crimson completely reinvigorated my interest in progressive music as a teenager, so that's a kicker.

King Crimson wins by a tiny amount.
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Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Right now, I would definitely prefer VDGG discography. But court of the crimson king is better than any thing VDGG ever did so voting crimson


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Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Right now, I would definitely prefer VDGG discography. But court of the crimson king is better than any thing VDGG ever did so voting crimson

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Right now, I would definitely prefer VDGG discography. But court of the crimson king is better than any thing VDGG ever did so voting crimson
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Van der Graaf Generator by a wiiide margin. A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers by itself is better than anything Crimson ever did. 
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Like both but by a narrow margin Crimson   
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Both giants by the way. Can't vote against the Crimson King. Can vote against VDGG, just about.

See, now don't you wish there was a "both equally" option? Wink

I like the pressure to make a decision. It makes me think harder, and sometimes I come out with something I wasn't sure about when I started to think/listen.
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KC (up to Red).
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I love Hammill's vocals on "Tonk" from David Cross' "Exiles". And I know "In A Foreign Town" is ranked low, but I absolutely LOVE his vocals on "Hemlock". So powerful!
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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

VDGG asked Fripp to play on several lp's.....KC never asked VDGG to play on their's.....'nuff said?

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on the other hand Robert Fripp said about Peter Hammill (in his biography): "what Jimi Hendrix did for the guitar Peter Hammill did for the vocals".

'nuff said



Great quote, I guess that's a great way to describe Peter Hamill as a vocalist. Too bad he didn't achieve the legendary stautus that Hendrix did (at least not in a mainstream way).
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Regarding my musical diet over the years they both come and go in waves. Lately its arguably been more about King Crimson and Lizard - but I can't say its because I prefer the mentioned band over the other. Soon it may be VdGG's turn... I'm certain it will at some point.
I shouldn't quote myself. What I wrote wasn't even particularly interesting. But I ended up voting for VdGG. My gut feeling sort of told me to. In many ways Peter Hammill makes me feel that I have a closer relationship to their-or his music (both band and solo) than with Fripp. King Crimson still has a huge emotional impact on me on a level that very few bands has. But with VdGG (as in Hammill) its more close up and personal. Some of their "masterworks" were once almost lifechanging in terms of importance. But even the times when the music isn't that magnificent and-or the lyrics kind of immature - I still feel a strong relation. In some of his lesser solo outings (like PH7 and many later albums) I recognize myself in the average songwriting, straight forwardness and lack of genius... and sort of appreciate it in that way - if that makes any sense.


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Dear gr8dane, 

You are putting me in front of a painful choice, that eaves blood. A choice that takes me to the bowels, because these two bands are inside my bowels. 

King Crimson and Van der Graaf Generator are probably my two favorite bands. Certainly those are the ones I listened to more (I mean the period 1969-1986, considering also the solo production of Hammill). Behind them there is a certain distance before other bands appear (unless they are considered solo authors like Wyatt and Buckley). Probably, at the bottom of the street, around the corner are Family and then Roxy Music. 

More at the bottom still there are the most renowned bands.
Listening to VDGG and KC gives me much more pleasure than listening to Genesis, Yes, Jethro Tull, Camel, Strawbs, Gentle Giant, PFM, Le Orme, Caravan, Gong (EL&P and Banco are far away, and even farther away are Rush). 

In the middle, in an area still poorly lit there are Pink Floyd, Magma, Comus, Soft Machine, Area, and many others (Kraut-rock and Progressive electronic are still to be deciphered by me). 

Listening to King Crimson means listening to the romantic epic of the first disc, but also the Schizoid Man scream: are intense, dilated emotions, that few bands know how to give so clear and direct. It means being blissful listening to the bolero of the Lizard suite, and then enchanted, and partly wounded by the abrasive violence of Fripp's guitar in Islands and Larks Tongues. That sound, geometric, oblique, of the period with Wetton left the marks on my skin. King Crimson lost the epic and lost the initial romanticism, have become a machine that produces a music that puts subjection, is the emblem of paranoia and obsession. 
They are emotions that become experiences in the flesh.

But with the Eighties, KC became too much cybernetic, cerebral, and cold. 

Van Der Graaf Generator in the same period of KC, years 1960-71, produced their absolute masterpieces. Where the KC are first romantic epic and then paranoia, VdGG are melancholy, cosmic solitude, spleen, which becomes existential anguish, they are a House With No Door and are also the incipit scary, thriller, of The Least We Can Do, are the electric sax of Jackson that tears the flesh in Killers, and finally they are the apocalypse of Lemmings and, most of all, of Man-Erg: their absolute masterpiece and one of the most beautiful and accomplished songs of the whole history of music, song that brings together the sublime paradise singing of Hammill with angst and fear of life: Killer lives inside me , Angel lives inside me, with cacophonic music that illustrates the nightmare of existence. 

(The return with Godbluff and Still Life will produce two albums without flaws, very good, but also much more accessible, less extreme, less exciting).

And this music is accompanied to perfection by the contrite singing, by the sacrificial lamb of Hammill, and his voice and his lyrics make the main difference between KC and the VDGG because the vocal part in KC music, apart in the first two records when there was Lake, has always been the weak point of the band, which in fact with time is thrown more and more towards instrumental pieces. 

I love the music accompanied by the singing, the emotional music, dramatic, which ignites intense emotions accompanied by an equally emotional and intense voice, which can describe with worthy words the music that sings, and this miracle takes place thanks to the sublime, distressed, melancholic, ghostly, frightening, neurotic, existential singing of Hammill, who knows how to combine a huge vocal talent with both committed and emotional lyrics. 
This talent lacks the music of KC, who don't have a poet singer of this magnitude. 

That's why VDGG. Hammill forever.
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