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Frenetic Zetetic ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 09 2017 Location: Now Status: Offline Points: 9233 |
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Yes was clearly trying to hop on the big production, big sound, synthesizes atmosphere of the late 80's and early 90's.
1991 would see a lot of that aesthetic and sonic style from many, many popular acts. Union has passable tracks. Shock to The System is the best track that line up put together IMHO. Great riff, energy, vocals, etc.
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Mortte ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: November 11 2016 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 5538 |
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![]() But seriously, I think many new bands really try to appeal their fans, although it´s impossible, because hardcore fans are never satisfied whatever band is trying to make. But also I think Yes has always sounded just Yes, even it´s really mellow "Heaven & Earth".
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 19261 |
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Who is any band trying to appeal to with any album?
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 46614 |
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that's actually a valid question
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dougmcauliffe ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 23 2019 Location: US Status: Offline Points: 3895 |
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I always wonder who yes was/is trying to appeal to with some of these later albums
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Wakeman's remarks about Jonathan Elias quickly achieved historic status 30 years ago. Keyboard: "...who I wouldn't trust with a food mixer..." KLOS: "I wouldn't trust him with a ten-foot pole!"
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 30188 |
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It's not horrendously terrible.
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It's got a few really great songs that I really love, just as most of their albums besides Fragile and Close to the Edge (only these songs are shorter). I really love Shock to the System, The More we Live, and I Would have waited Forever. However, it bothers me to know that Steve Howe is actually barely featured on the ABWH tracks, his parts having been replaced by some session musician (I guess Wakeman might have suffered from some of this too).
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Yeah, we can't hit a homer every time at bat.
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Maybe the question is boring?
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The two tracks that save "Union" from being boring are "Miracle of Life" and "The More We Live-Let Go". The rest is a bit mediocre. But its not a complete failure like "Open Your Eyes" or the two latest pieces of garbage albums (Heaven and Earth and Fly From Here) which is actually just a bad imposter pop-clone band. I would place "Union" above those albums any day, but "Union" is far from their best effort. If its a nostalgia thing, then I completely understand your feelings, however.
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Is it just me or is Tony Levin just boring?
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I know it was a painful experience for the band but it does have some good tracks on it. I'd rank it about Open Your Eyes and Heaven and Earth at least.
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It has a few gems, with a lot of other gunk in between. ![]() And it's not that Union was a bad album-- there are some truly excellent passages and the studio sound is, of course, pristine. It's not even that there's too much of it. Fourteen thematically unrelated cuts spanning over one hour ~ the ear gapes, the mind reels, the palate becomes taxed ~ but it is progressive rock, after all. That's entirely legal. No, those aren't what suppressed Yes' 1991 release. It is a clash of flavors. Or as they say in the culinary arts, "flavor profiles". Mexican and Malaysian food could be great together; On the other hand, the combination might not work at all. At moments we do get the feeling most of these fellas never even saw each other while this thing was being cobbled together. Of course beggars can't be choosers and any new music by this beloved trio was welcome, but if these eight masters of their craft had focused more on making a real record ~ a thoughtful and distilled version of this music while tossing out anything irrelevant ~ we might've gotten something good. Very good. Like Drama was, or 90125. Occasionally taking their production cues from what Genesis had done so eloquently and successfully in the eighties, the extended Yes family does make a strong effort in what I suspect a few of them felt was their best recording in a long time. Steve Howe's great riffage and some sweet group vocals save 'I Would Have Waited Forever', a prime example of prog's answer to the lovelorn Van Hagar sounds of the time. Acoustic solo 'Masquerade' earned Howe a Grammy nomination for best rock instrumental, but Squire/Rabin/Anderson pieces 'Lift Me Up', 'Without Hope..', and 'Saving My Heart' are increasingly cloying and sugary, typical of the stuff Rabin and Anderson were pitching to the market then. Thankfully like a deep breath after drowning is Trevor Rabin's 'Miracle of Life', a perfectly good prog/pop bit with fine performances followed by equally good ABWH number 'Silent Talking', and Squire's brilliant and infectious 'The More We Live-Let Go' is one of his best songs and a highpoint here. Extraneous 'Angkor Wat' and crappy 'Dangerous' made it to the final cut, and though fractured, 'Holding On' is what could've been another tiny piece of a much better, cohesive record. A couple of lukewarm attempts at Gabrielesque world music for 'Evensong' and 'Take the Water to the Mountain' finish this exasperating release. What can one say about the Union period. It was a promising but ungratifying phase. Maybe
it's why Rush was able to survive intact all those years: There was only three of them. |
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Union’s one of just a couple of Yes albums I haven’t heard or bought yet. I’ve never heard a Yes album I didn’t like to some degree, so I’m sure I’ll get it eventually.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 19261 |
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I enjoy it quite a bit but I'll admit at least part of that is for nostalgia reasons. However, other than the way in which the thing is assembled and produced I never really understood the hate this album received. The same goes for Big Generator and to a lesser extent Talk. I actually like the variety on this album. For me personally I would place it just a notch below the ABWH album. For me much of it is really not that different. I think if the Yes west and ABWH songs on this were released as separate albums(kind of like KTA 1 & 2)people wouldn't complain nearly as much.
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