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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

DSOTM is more about studio perfection versus musical and lyrical content

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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

...the fact that Foxtrot is deemed inferior because of its recording/mix is a fookin ludicrous argument

I didn't say it's because of the recording/mix.  I would take Nursery Cryme over DSOTM just fine.  But Foxtrot is a very uneven album.  Watcher has that brilliant intro and then that repetition of Watcher of the skies watching about goes on for entirely too long.  Other than that, Get Em Out By Friday is ok, not the best Genesis song ever made or anything and if Trick of the Tail had Peter Gabriel in the credits, most Genesis fanboys would be rating most of that album over Get Em Out.  Supper's Ready is, of course, the undeniable and timeless masterpiece.  If they had just released Supper's Ready as an EP and not stuck on this extra baggage, would I rate Foxtrot over DSOTM?  Yes, I would.  But as it stands, I have to deal with this baggage dragging down one of the greatest epics of prog while everything on DSOTM has a reason, a purpose as to why it's put in there.
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DSOTM is a great album, but it's Foxtrot for me
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And anyway a fox in a red dress....genius...or a woman with a foxes head...either way its a winner...

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I'm sure that Stolt would be chuffed to be mentioned in the same sentence as Bach....but again , obviously I would choose Bach, since his music definately influenced prog more than most classical composers...but one cannot ignore the elephant in the room. You can't polish a turd, and even though the fan boys may scream and shout, DSOTM is more about studio perfection versus musical and lyrical content...the fact that Foxtrot is deemed inferior because of its recording/mix is a fookin ludicrous argument....and still tbe supposedly perfect headphone album has not much more to offer? Call it art rock? Pop or studio perfection n sound effects....I still don't see how it gets anywhere near the top 10000 prog releases...or is that just me?

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I couldn't care less or mind if Dark Side of the Moon is considered a kind of pop music (it is popular music, and it depends how one defines the term -- many words are flexible, including pop and prog). I'd call Dark Side of the Moon an art rock album. I don't consider an album to be superior to another just because one is quintessentially Prog and the other isn't. If you were to ask me who is the superior composer, Roine Stolt, since I know Barney likes The Flower Kings, or Bach, I'd say Bach in a heart-beat. I like a great deal of non-Prog, I dislike a great deal of non-Prog, I like a lot of Prog and I dislike a lot of Prog.
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

I reckon this question is the acid test for prog psychology lesson #1. I consider DSOTM a pop record and not deserving of its place in the list. Anybody who argues against this should consider the glaring fact. DSOTM is loved by Ceņine Dion fans, Foxtrot is not...I rest my case M'lud...

One can, however, despise Celine Dion and still love DSOTM more than Foxtrot. Ask me.  You can consider DSOTM whatever you want, it isn't a pop record to me and never will be. 

To take another angle...Genesis Abacab is pop and not prog and is popular outside of prog parameters. I extend my theory to incņude the 1973 DSOTM. Just because it was in the peak of prog does not make it prog...if your parameters allow for inclusion into prog then you must also allow every feckin well produced pop album into the genre...and the box is opened and the wave form is broken...

I don't see what Abacab has to do with this.  It's a straight up 80s pop album and of a particularly dated/grating variety, not classy and sophisticated like Donald Fagen's Nightfly or Prefab Sprout's Two Wheels Good.  Why, I'd take Hounds of Love over 80s Genesis easily.  

DSOTM on the other hand is a ROCK album with a very wide sonic palate and plenty of experimentation that goes well beyond the confines of its 'non prog' rock peers like Deep Purple or Led Zeppelin.  What it misses in prog terms are long track lengths (but Gentle Giant doesn't have that either), odd time sigs and extended instrumental sections (unless you count a long bluesy saxophone solo followed by a long bluesy guitar solo in Money).  DSOTM is not POP from any standpoint, irrespective of how prog or not it may be.
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

I reckon this question is the acid test for prog psychology lesson #1. I consider DSOTM a pop record and not deserving of its place in the list. Anybody who argues against this should consider the glaring fact. DSOTM is loved by Ceņine Dion fans, Foxtrot is not...I rest my case M'lud...

One can, however, despise Celine Dion and still love DSOTM more than Foxtrot. Ask me.  You can consider DSOTM whatever you want, it isn't a pop record to me and never will be. 

To take another angle...Genesis Abacab is pop and not prog and is popular outside of prog parameters. I extend my theory to incņude the 1973 DSOTM. Just because it was in the peak of prog does not make it prog...if your parameters allow for inclusion into prog then you must also allow every feckin well produced pop album into the genre...and the box is opened and the wave form is broken...

how is DSOTM pop music? enlighten us/me...
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Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

I reckon this question is the acid test for prog psychology lesson #1. I consider DSOTM a pop record and not deserving of its place in the list. Anybody who argues against this should consider the glaring fact. DSOTM is loved by Ceņine Dion fans, Foxtrot is not...I rest my case M'lud...

One can, however, despise Celine Dion and still love DSOTM more than Foxtrot. Ask me.  You can consider DSOTM whatever you want, it isn't a pop record to me and never will be. 

To take another angle...Genesis Abacab is pop and not prog and is popular outside of prog parameters. I extend my theory to incņude the 1973 DSOTM. Just because it was in the peak of prog does not make it prog...if your parameters allow for inclusion into prog then you must also allow every feckin well produced pop album into the genre...and the box is opened and the wave form is broken...
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

I reckon this question is the acid test for prog psychology lesson #1. I consider DSOTM a pop record and not deserving of its place in the list. Anybody who argues against this should consider the glaring fact. DSOTM is loved by Ceņine Dion fans, Foxtrot is not...I rest my case M'lud...
One can, however, despise Celine Dion and still love DSOTM more than Foxtrot. Ask me.  You can consider DSOTM whatever you want, it isn't a pop record to me and never will be. 
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Hi,

DSOTM ... is a record for the ages that also set new recording standards for quality and design. At that time GENESIS was nowhere near that standard.

As far as the "music" in both albums, I find it a bad comparison and discussion. Tongue
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

The emperor is fookin naked you wimpling zoop buckets...


Good name for a 'Nun themed' Floyd tribute band.... who interpret DSOTM in its entirety on chromatically tuned buckets
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

No I openly despise DSoTM and have made several threads on said topic; have you forgotten? Lol.

Here was my most popular!: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=114220

Good. Its not that I dislike it? I like the one track...its just that I am objectively stumped on why it is considered so important....The emperor is fookin naked you wimpling zoop buckets...

so because you dislike the album and do not understand why so many people find it important, must be all those people are wrong or something Confused

Good one. 

You take fanboyism to whole new levels...
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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

No I openly despise DSoTM and have made several threads on said topic; have you forgotten? Lol.

Here was my most popular!: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=114220

Good. Its not that I dislike it? I like the one track...its just that I am objectively stumped on why it is considered so important....The emperor is fookin naked you wimpling zoop buckets...

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No I openly despise DSoTM and have made several threads on said topic; have you forgotten? Lol.

Here was my most popular!: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=114220


Edited by Frenetic Zetetic - April 01 2020 at 04:36

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oh, you're just playing devil's advocate by evening up the score. Wink
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Originally posted by Mirakaze Mirakaze wrote:

Foxtrot by a vast margin

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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

685 more PA members had sufficient cause to rate DSOTM (1973) than Foxtrot (1972) so maybe that might tip the scales? Either way, no-one can claim this poll question is objectively any more crassly asinine than any other poll question.

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Dark Side >> Everything Else

Dark Side is an album that I always go back to, and don't change the station if its on the radio.  Even if its Money for the 10,000 time.   Foxtrot is a great album but... 
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It is a matter of justice don’t you see that Cristi?
Barney knows the truth and is currently trying to showcase it to the rest of us plebs.
Music after all is not subjective.. prog splendour and indeed the merits of the genre are very much written in stone.
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

I reckon this question is the acid test for prog psychology lesson #1. I consider DSOTM a pop record and not deserving of its place in the list. Anybody who argues against this should consider the glaring fact. DSOTM is loved by Ceņine Dion fans, Foxtrot is not...I rest my case M'lud...

ok, please stop with the exaggerations. I get it, you prefer Genesis to Pink Floyd, and Foxtrot to DSOTM. This does not mean you need to insult all those who think otherwise. 
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