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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

And here I thought Slayer and Dream Theater fanboys were ridiculous, add Genesis to the list. 

Like I said before, they are two quite different bands to compare. What's next? Someone will compare Moody Blues and Opeth? 




Guess you haven't previously seen this side of the Bobble Heads as micky refers to them.  Hey, I love Genesis too but I don't understand this need to sneer at Pink Floyd. 

A bit of an over-reaction. This bobblehead loves some floyd. Echoes has a dreamy laidback vibe and the start is ace, especially the submarine ping...Shine on had one of the best starts of any symphonic prog track. Also I love all of Animals...also a better album than DSOYM by 10 magnitudes...and proper prog...This argument would be duplicated if abacab was in the top rated albums...

why do you keep comparing DSOTM to Abacab? That's even a worse comparison than the one in the poll. 
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Listening to DSOTM made me impotent, prone to psychotic episodes and caused my teeth to fall out. No wait..that was Meth
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I am stating that Floyd produced some superb symphonic prog. No question...even tho I wouñd still place Foxtrot above those tho. But DS... is just not prog. Using abacab as an example of an album popular with non prog fans...DS... is liked by non proggers to an extent that Floyd fan boys cannot get their heads round...Prog Genesis fans HATE abacab or at least realise it is pop...DSOTM IS NOT FECKING PROG, NEVER WAS AND NEVER WILL BE...AAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHH....

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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

I am stating that Floyd produced some superb symphonic prpg. No question...even tho I wouñd still place Foxtrot above those tho. But DS... is just not prog. Using abacab as an example of an album popular with non prog fans...DS... is liked by non proggers to an extent that Floyd fan boys cannot get their heads round...Prog Genesis fans HATE abacab or at least realise it is pop...DSOTM IS NOT FECKING PROG, NEVER WAS AND NEVER WILL BE...AAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHH....

Why does it matter that non proggers like DS?  Non proggers (those who like jazz) also like Steely Dan.  Non proggers also like a bunch of Jethro Tull's stuff.  Not all prog rock band material fancied by non prog listeners is Abacab category.   
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To be fair, I think I had the DSOTM is not prog argument in 1981. This was due to a knob I went to college with who claimed that Thomas Dolby was a superior keyboard player than Wakeman, Emerson and Banks, he loved DSOTM and stated it was technically superior to everything recorded 1969-1975....I reckon he was Mickys dad...
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Dark Side for me
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

I am stating that Floyd produced some superb symphonic prog. No question...even tho I wouñd still place Foxtrot above those tho. But DS... is just not prog. Using abacab as an example of an album popular with non prog fans...DS... is liked by non proggers to an extent that Floyd fan boys cannot get their heads round...Prog Genesis fans HATE abacab or at least realise it is pop...DSOTM IS NOT FECKING PROG, NEVER WAS AND NEVER WILL BE...AAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHH....
Well, Wikipedia says it's "Progressive rock", and only "Progressive rock".
 
 
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Because the question is "Which is superior?" rather than "Which do you prefer?", I have put aside my own biases and voted for the progressive rock album that has charted for over 900 weeks, sold over 45 million copies, and was one of the albums of the "Classic Albums" documentary series.
 
 
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

I am stating that Floyd produced some superb symphonic prog. No question...even tho I wouñd still place Foxtrot above those tho. But DS... is just not prog. Using abacab as an example of an album popular with non prog fans...DS... is liked by non proggers to an extent that Floyd fan boys cannot get their heads round...Prog Genesis fans HATE abacab or at least realise it is pop...DSOTM IS NOT FECKING PROG, NEVER WAS AND NEVER WILL BE...AAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHH....

Well, Wikipedia says it's "Progressive rock", and only "Progressive rock".
 
 

And wikipedia is always right? Right? And like I said , Off the wall should also be classed as prog then...
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

I am stating that Floyd produced some superb symphonic prog. No question...even tho I wouñd still place Foxtrot above those tho. But DS... is just not prog. Using abacab as an example of an album popular with non prog fans...DS... is liked by non proggers to an extent that Floyd fan boys cannot get their heads round...Prog Genesis fans HATE abacab or at least realise it is pop...DSOTM IS NOT FECKING PROG, NEVER WAS AND NEVER WILL BE...AAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHH....

Well, Wikipedia says it's "Progressive rock", and only "Progressive rock".
 
 

And wikipedia is always right? Right? And like I said , Off the wall should also be classed as prog then...
It's the consensus across the internet that DSotM is prog. By all means, peruse any record site. Start with RateYourMusic and go from there. Across the world. In huts in Kenya and yurts in Mongolia. I don't recall any site ever listing Off the Wall as such, ever.

You have some weird hatred fixation for the album. Whatever. You're wrong. Majority rules. Have a nice day.
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Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

I am stating that Floyd produced some superb symphonic prpg. No question...even tho I wouñd still place Foxtrot above those tho. But DS... is just not prog. Using abacab as an example of an album popular with non prog fans...DS... is liked by non proggers to an extent that Floyd fan boys cannot get their heads round...Prog Genesis fans HATE abacab or at least realise it is pop...DSOTM IS NOT FECKING PROG, NEVER WAS AND NEVER WILL BE...AAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHH....

Why does it matter that non proggers like DS?  Non proggers (those who like jazz) also like Steely Dan.  Non proggers also like a bunch of Jethro Tull's stuff.  Not all prog rock band material fancied by non prog listeners is Abacab category.   


The poll isn't about which album is more prog than the other, or at all. It's about which is superior. A no brainer, if ever there was one. The production of Dark Side...is absolutely outstanding. 
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I am much more of a floyd guy than a Genesis guy, I do like Foxtrot but Dark Side is by far the better album for my taste.
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Foxtrot has a lot of rough edges but that is part of its charm. Never been a massive fan of DSOTM as a studio album but the few times I've seen it performed in its entirety live have both been great especially with the 'flying bed' video sequence that Roger Waters used for On The Run.
Great Gig In The Sky is another highlight. I look forward to that whenever I see The Australian Pink Floyd every year. Time is also absolutely classic. In fact most of it is good at least but I still wonder if it really adds up to a whole hill of beans. Even Waters was not totally convinced and felt he had got away with something apparently!
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^ It's nice to hear Waters being critical of something he was involved with other than Atom Heart Mother (which in that case I took as disrespectful to Ron Geesin).

By the way, I don't how many others are watching Westworld, but I loved hearing Pink Floyd in this official trailer for season three:



Of course Dark Side of the Moon is one of the most referenced and iconic albums.

By the way, this poll has got me listening to Foxtrot again and appreciating more than what I used to appreciate it from it. I like topics that not only help me to discover new-to-me music, but also ones that get me to re-evaluate/ reconsider music. And even if I may have often have problems with notions of superiority/ best/ worst unless approaching it from within a very specific framework, it can be interesting and make for more lively discussion and debate than just another "What's your favourite?" kind of topic. It can be rather more fun.

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In my personal ranking, 

I've put 8,5/9 that is Four and a half stars at both.

They are, in my code, almost masterpieces but not real masterpieces.

What can I choose?

I dont know, but go The Dark go!


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This poll has again....informed me of...
Some people place production above musical merit...
DSOTM was overated in 1973 and still is 47 years later...
The zeitgeist has constantly changed but the elephant is still in the prog room....
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It's kind of reminded me that trying to engage in dialectic, and have a nuanced conversation, can be really challenging.

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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

This poll has again....informed me of...
Some people place production above musical merit...
DSOTM was overated in 1973 and still is 47 years later...
The zeitgeist has constantly changed but the elephant is still in the prog room....

And yet one thing remains constant: you were wrong in 1973 and you are still wrong 47 years later. 

I still recall hearing DSotM when it was released. I recall where I first heard it at age 13 in 1973, and who I was with. Fantastic album, always has been. Which is why so many millions of people wore out their vinyl, then wore out their 8 tracks, then wore out their cassettes, and then purchased various CDs and DATS and whatever technologies.

And it is progressive rock. You have offered scant little to obviate the obvious. Other than your hurt feelings. Did a fluorescent Pink Floyd prism poster cut your finger when you removed it from the plastic and unrolled it back in the 70s? LOL
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Is DSOTM a very good lp...it certainly is.
Is it prog rock....for the most part it is.
Is it 'superior' to Foxtrot.....not necessarily ,and as always in these type of threads it's completely subjective.
People vote for the lp they like the best.
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Anyway. I was thinking about the genre conumdrum. Clearly, as I have said I can and do apply genre at TRACK level. Thus, you can allow for a time period analysis of a band, who change genre OVER time. I know that true objective parameters for each genre have not been clearly identified but if you compare DSOTM track by track, only ACYL is actually anywhere near a prog track...and my subjective analysis is as valid as anybody else's. It aint nothing but a brilliantly recorded art rock/AOR release which stands out IN 1973 BECAUSE IT WASN'T PROG ROCK...I will argue this till I die at the age of 134....listening to Foxtrot...

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