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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

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That's right. I'd rather to listen to any of those bands over Le Orme any day. Too mellow without enough rock for my tastes but i do own the first three albums and they are definitely decent albums.

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I' don't think that Le Orme were much about "rock" as they were about trippy stuff and some instrumental materials ... but the combination of it all was very pretty and anyone thinking that this is like ELP, is not listening at all ... because there is no relation whatsoever.

Le Orme, became closer to "rock" in the Smogmagica album which ended up including a lead guitar, something they did not have before ... and it was a bit off the track for them, but they went right back to what they did first ... the fun stuff in Smogmagica did not help anyone relate and understand what the band was about.

All in all, an excellent band, that deserves a lot more credit than they do, and are simply not appreciated here because they do not have a "recognizable" sound that we can compartmentalize. And one can never underestimate the length of this band on the stage and albums ... they just won't stop and that says a lot about what they do ... that is appreciated somewhere, except PA because it does not "fit" the bizarre definition of the mold, and they do not go around showing off a blue guitar and a pink drum!


NOT APPRECIATED HERE? WHAT? Le Orme has two albums in the top 250. They are one of the most popular RPI bands on the site. This is just my opinion. I think they are a bit too simplistic for my tastes. I like the Italian prog bands that really get wild and reckless. I do like them but they just don't rank as highly for me. Their albums just don't reach the potential i feel they were capable of reaching.

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to me the Progday 1997 performance of Felona blows the studio version out of the water
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Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

to me the Progday 1997 performance of Felona blows the studio version out of the water


Cool. Wish there was a live album. Is there a YouTube video of it?

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I think there is a live album out there somewhere, but it's a live album of Progfest (sorry not progday) not of Le Orme, that has various artists who performed .
Looking on youtube,  they have the performance in 2 parts







Edited by kenethlevine - December 05 2020 at 19:13
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

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Their albums just don't reach the potential i feel they were capable of reaching.

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This is what I mean ... how can you define "potential" for a band, or your children? 

You're creating (in my seeing!) something of a "style" and "position" that I am not sure any band out there can ever reach.

Each band is like a person, and you can only hope that they express themselves well and clearly, and Le Orme, have done that and then some! 

As AC would say ... "potential is crap!"
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Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

to me the Progday 1997 performance of Felona blows the studio version out of the water

The only problem with that statement is that Le Orme did not play Progday in 1997. The only Italian band to play that year was Finisterre. 
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

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Their albums just don't reach the potential i feel they were capable of reaching.

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This is what I mean ... how can you define "potential" for a band, or your children? 

You're creating (in my seeing!) something of a "style" and "position" that I am not sure any band out there can ever reach.

Each band is like a person, and you can only hope that they express themselves well and clearly, and Le Orme, have done that and then some! 

As AC would say ... "potential is crap!"


Well, all those other bands i listed that i prefer reached their potential. I'm a musician myself so i guess i hear things differently. Certain artists just feel to me like they were holding back for the sake of popularity. Le Orme is one of those. There are others. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

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I love Le Orme and I only have three albums from them. Aldo Tagliapietra (I think that's how it's spelled) might be my favorite Italian prog singer. The three I have are Felona E Sorona, Contrapunti, and Florian, and Felona E Sorona and Florian are masterpieces. Contrapunti feels like some runoff ideas from FeS made into songs, but runoff from one of the greatest albums to come out of the entire Italian prog scene is still pretty darn good. Florian in particular seems to get very overlooked. Although its mostly acoustic, it's really gorgeous in its composition and arrangement, the instrumentals really shine. In fact the opening and closing remind me of Larks Tongues' In Aspic in a strange way, albeit prettier and less aggressive versions. Aldo's voice is also perfect for that setting.

But yeah if you haven't heard them give Felona E Sorona a spin. Pretty much proof that you don't need to understand the lyrics of a concept album for the music to take you on a fantastic journey. 

And no way in heck do they sound like ELP to me. Emerson was a super flashy player and filled his work with all kinds of pyrotechnics and frills and sound effects that would seem to come at you as forcefully as a master lead guitar shredder. Le Orme's keys are much closer to Tony Banks'. A bit softer, in a way more sophisticated (not to knock Emerson's skills), and more focused on atmosphere and composition than flashiness. The drums and bass aren't boisterous enough either, and Aldo's voice is soft and sweet all the time whereas Lake often added a bit of bite or humor into his tone.


Edited by Sacro_Porgo - December 05 2020 at 23:36
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Wow, AWESOME in-depth replies, guys and gals! Clap

I've ordered their two most popular, PA Chart Topping recordings from the start of this thread.

I have so many prog CDs from this year that are still wrapped/sealed/unopened sshhh.....

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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

to me the Progday 1997 performance of Felona blows the studio version out of the water


The only problem with that statement is that Le Orme did not play Progday in 1997. The only Italian band to play that year was Finisterre. 


Cut some slack, he's right it's a killer performance. It's the Live in Pennsylvania album from NEARfest 2005 and can be purchased in CD or CD/DVD combo.

I love the band! Like many Italian bands the pyrotechnics take a backseat to songwriting and memorable melody--very unlike ELP though the makeup was the same in the classic years. And unlike most of the revived classic bands their more recent stuff is actually really good in spots, like La Via della Seta.

Solid band, beautiful music, pure class.

PS Also check out Aldo's album L'Angelo Rinchiuso
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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Wow, AWESOME in-depth replies, guys and gals! Clap

I've ordered their two most popular, PA Chart Topping recordings from the start of this thread.

I have so many prog CDs from this year that are still wrapped/sealed/unopened sshhh.....


Their first five albums from the debut "Ad Gloriam" to "Contrappunti" are all well worth owning. Le Orme certainly deserves a place in prog history. I just find their albums a bit disjointed and underwhelming. For example on "Felona e Sorona" the momentum is rather slow and tedious for a concept album and only really comes to life on the closing "Ritorno al Nulla" which is perhaps the best track they crafted in their career. Unfortunately these stellar prog moments are rare and the lush folk motifs are the norm. Nothing wrong with that for those who prefer it but something just doesn't click for me with Le Orme like it does other Italian greats. Enjoy!

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sillypuppy, I recommend verita nascoste!  Has some of the verve that it sounds like you are missing in a lot of their work.  

Also Todd perfecrtly expressed how I feel about the group:

Like many Italian bands the pyrotechnics take a backseat to songwriting and memorable melody--very unlike ELP though the makeup was the same in the classic years. And unlike most of the revived classic bands their more recent stuff is actually really good in spots, like La Via della Seta.
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

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Well, all those other bands i listed that i prefer reached their potential. I'm a musician myself so i guess i hear things differently. Certain artists just feel to me like they were holding back for the sake of popularity. Le Orme is one of those. There are others. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

Hi,

I'm not sure that Le Orme was after the big hype star and fame, EVER. I do think that they had a very loyal and appreciating audience that always got a chance to see them and appreciate the great music.

I am a writer and my dad was a writer and very famous ... fame and fortune is not what most of us think and I believe that folks like Le Orme, kinda have seen enough hype everywhere to know that it was not worth it, and they were not going to "change" simply to satisfy some ideal about fame and fortune. You do what you like best and how you want to do it ... you don't make changes in your music simply because for 5 minutes you thought ... the audience will want this here and a solo behind it ... that is NOT how you and most people define their music ... although I do question this on top of the pops material ... continually formatted and the drumming and style never changes! To me, that is satisfying the public ... as cheaply as possible!

I would rather think that some bands that have been around a long time do get tired, and this is how I felt about GENESIS, YES, JETHRO TULL and some other bands ... not sure I want to include KING CRIMSON in that list as they made sure that their material was clean, well done and strong ... and then ... add 2 more drummers to the fun ... none of us thought it would work ... guess what? It was a magnificent show! And the music did not sound "tired".

I would imagine that the "newer" material by Le Orme is not "as good" as the early material, but really, that is a jaded view, since Guy Guden ripped through so many copies of this band's albums for many years, including those in my collection! It always "fit" ... in the middle of everything else, like so many other bands that he is known for in his early shows ... hundreds of them ... and I don't think any of them did something for their "audience's tastes" ... they did it for themselves ... it's WHAT AN ARTIST DOES!
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Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

sillypuppy, I recommend verita nascoste!  Has some of the verve that it sounds like you are missing in a lot of their work.  

Also Todd perfecrtly expressed how I feel about the group:

<span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">Like many Italian bands the pyrotechnics take a backseat to songwriting and memorable melody--very unlike ELP though the makeup was the same in the classic years. And unlike most of the revived classic bands their more recent stuff is actually really good in spots, like La Via della Seta.</span>


Thanksfor the rec. I certainly haven't explored past the first five albums. Personally I want pyrotechnics in my symphonic prog! Just my personal preference.

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Le Orme are awesome. Best band from Italy for sure. Great run of albums in the 70s. I have them in my top 5 bands.
Comfortably better than pfm.
Tull, Giant, Camel, Le Orme and Graaf I think are my big 5.
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Originally posted by Sacro_Porgo Sacro_Porgo wrote:

Florian in particular seems to get very overlooked.
I was going to say that as well, really lovely album, but it's everything Mike doesn't like about them LOL I do like my RPI more tender and less pyrotechnic though.
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Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

I think there is a live album out there somewhere, but it's a live album of Progfest (sorry not progday) not of Le Orme, that has various artists who performed .
Really cool performance Clap

Speaking of F&S, I wonder if Frank Bornemann knew this album before coming up with Planets/Time To Turn. The concept is pretty much the same.

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Originally posted by Meltdowner Meltdowner wrote:

Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

I think there is a live album out there somewhere, but it's a live album of Progfest (sorry not progday) not of Le Orme, that has various artists who performed .
Really cool performance Clap

Speaking of F&S, I wonder if Frank Bornemann knew this album before coming up with Planets/Time To Turn. The concept is pretty much the same.


good question - 2 of my favourite Eloy albums
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Originally posted by Meltdowner Meltdowner wrote:

Originally posted by Sacro_Porgo Sacro_Porgo wrote:

Florian in particular seems to get very overlooked.
I was going to say that as well, really lovely album, but it's everything Mike doesn't like about them LOL I do like my RPI more tender and less pyrotechnic though.

I mean yeah if you're all about the flash and pizzazz Le Orme is not your band and Florian is not your Le Orme album. I'd go to Maxophone and Banco for any pyrotechnic needs, with a Il Balletto Di Bronzo for dessert.
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I have eight albums by them: the ones from 1971-1977 and Elementi from 2001. I find all of them enjoyable. Felona e Sorona, Verità nascoste, and Elementi are my favorites of those.
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