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For symphonic prog i love bombast. I'm perfectly fine with tenderness in prog folk and more easy listening styles of music. Le Orme is doing fine without me salivating over their every move
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progaardvark ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover/Symphonic/RPI Teams Joined: June 14 2007 Location: Sea of Peas Status: Online Points: 53551 |
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I have eight albums by them: the ones from 1971-1977 and Elementi from 2001. I find all of them enjoyable. Felona e Sorona, Verità nascoste, and Elementi are my favorites of those.
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Sacro_Porgo ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 15 2019 Location: Cygnus Status: Offline Points: 2062 |
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I mean yeah if you're all about the flash and pizzazz Le Orme is not your band and Florian is not your Le Orme album. I'd go to Maxophone and Banco for any pyrotechnic needs, with a Il Balletto Di Bronzo for dessert.
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Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :)
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kenethlevine ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog-Folk Team Joined: December 06 2006 Location: New England Status: Offline Points: 9173 |
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good question - 2 of my favourite Eloy albums
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![]() Speaking of F&S, I wonder if Frank Bornemann knew this album before coming up with Planets/Time To Turn. The concept is pretty much the same. |
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dr prog ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 25 2010 Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Points: 2532 |
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Le Orme are awesome. Best band from Italy for sure. Great run of albums in the 70s. I have them in my top 5 bands.
Comfortably better than pfm. Tull, Giant, Camel, Le Orme and Graaf I think are my big 5. |
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All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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siLLy puPPy ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() PSIKE, JRF/Canterbury, P Metal, Eclectic Joined: October 05 2013 Location: SFcaUsA Status: Offline Points: 15418 |
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Thanksfor the rec. I certainly haven't explored past the first five albums. Personally I want pyrotechnics in my symphonic prog! Just my personal preference. |
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18557 |
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Hi, I'm not sure that Le Orme was after the big hype star and fame, EVER. I do think that they had a very loyal and appreciating audience that always got a chance to see them and appreciate the great music. I am a writer and my dad was a writer and very famous ... fame and fortune is not what most of us think and I believe that folks like Le Orme, kinda have seen enough hype everywhere to know that it was not worth it, and they were not going to "change" simply to satisfy some ideal about fame and fortune. You do what you like best and how you want to do it ... you don't make changes in your music simply because for 5 minutes you thought ... the audience will want this here and a solo behind it ... that is NOT how you and most people define their music ... although I do question this on top of the pops material ... continually formatted and the drumming and style never changes! To me, that is satisfying the public ... as cheaply as possible! I would rather think that some bands that have been around a long time do get tired, and this is how I felt about GENESIS, YES, JETHRO TULL and some other bands ... not sure I want to include KING CRIMSON in that list as they made sure that their material was clean, well done and strong ... and then ... add 2 more drummers to the fun ... none of us thought it would work ... guess what? It was a magnificent show! And the music did not sound "tired". I would imagine that the "newer" material by Le Orme is not "as good" as the early material, but really, that is a jaded view, since Guy Guden ripped through so many copies of this band's albums for many years, including those in my collection! It always "fit" ... in the middle of everything else, like so many other bands that he is known for in his early shows ... hundreds of them ... and I don't think any of them did something for their "audience's tastes" ... they did it for themselves ... it's WHAT AN ARTIST DOES!
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sillypuppy, I recommend verita nascoste! Has some of the verve that it sounds like you are missing in a lot of their work.
Also Todd perfecrtly expressed how I feel about the group: Like many Italian bands the pyrotechnics take a backseat to songwriting and memorable melody--very unlike ELP though the makeup was the same in the classic years. And unlike most of the revived classic bands their more recent stuff is actually really good in spots, like La Via della Seta.
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Their first five albums from the debut "Ad Gloriam" to "Contrappunti" are all well worth owning. Le Orme certainly deserves a place in prog history. I just find their albums a bit disjointed and underwhelming. For example on "Felona e Sorona" the momentum is rather slow and tedious for a concept album and only really comes to life on the closing "Ritorno al Nulla" which is perhaps the best track they crafted in their career. Unfortunately these stellar prog moments are rare and the lush folk motifs are the norm. Nothing wrong with that for those who prefer it but something just doesn't click for me with Le Orme like it does other Italian greats. Enjoy!
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Cut some slack, he's right it's a killer performance. It's the Live in Pennsylvania album from NEARfest 2005 and can be purchased in CD or CD/DVD combo. I love the band! Like many Italian bands the pyrotechnics take a backseat to songwriting and memorable melody--very unlike ELP though the makeup was the same in the classic years. And unlike most of the revived classic bands their more recent stuff is actually really good in spots, like La Via della Seta. Solid band, beautiful music, pure class. PS Also check out Aldo's album L'Angelo Rinchiuso |
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Wow, AWESOME in-depth replies, guys and gals!
![]() I've ordered their two most popular, PA Chart Topping recordings from the start of this thread. I have so many prog CDs from this year that are still wrapped/sealed/unopened sshhh.....
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Sacro_Porgo ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 15 2019 Location: Cygnus Status: Offline Points: 2062 |
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I love Le Orme and I only have three albums from them. Aldo Tagliapietra (I think that's how it's spelled) might be my favorite Italian prog singer. The three I have are Felona E Sorona, Contrapunti, and Florian, and Felona E Sorona and Florian are masterpieces. Contrapunti feels like some runoff ideas from FeS made into songs, but runoff from one of the greatest albums to come out of the entire Italian prog scene is still pretty darn good. Florian in particular seems to get very overlooked. Although its mostly acoustic, it's really gorgeous in its composition and arrangement, the instrumentals really shine. In fact the opening and closing remind me of Larks Tongues' In Aspic in a strange way, albeit prettier and less aggressive versions. Aldo's voice is also perfect for that setting.
But yeah if you haven't heard them give Felona E Sorona a spin. Pretty much proof that you don't need to understand the lyrics of a concept album for the music to take you on a fantastic journey. And no way in heck do they sound like ELP to me. Emerson was a super flashy player and filled his work with all kinds of pyrotechnics and frills and sound effects that would seem to come at you as forcefully as a master lead guitar shredder. Le Orme's keys are much closer to Tony Banks'. A bit softer, in a way more sophisticated (not to knock Emerson's skills), and more focused on atmosphere and composition than flashiness. The drums and bass aren't boisterous enough either, and Aldo's voice is soft and sweet all the time whereas Lake often added a bit of bite or humor into his tone.
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Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :)
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Well, all those other bands i listed that i prefer reached their potential. I'm a musician myself so i guess i hear things differently. Certain artists just feel to me like they were holding back for the sake of popularity. Le Orme is one of those. There are others. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
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The only problem with that statement is that Le Orme did not play Progday in 1997. The only Italian band to play that year was Finisterre.
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Hi, This is what I mean ... how can you define "potential" for a band, or your children? You're creating (in my seeing!) something of a "style" and "position" that I am not sure any band out there can ever reach. Each band is like a person, and you can only hope that they express themselves well and clearly, and Le Orme, have done that and then some! As AC would say ... "potential is crap!"
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kenethlevine ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog-Folk Team Joined: December 06 2006 Location: New England Status: Offline Points: 9173 |
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I think there is a live album out there somewhere, but it's a live album of Progfest (sorry not progday) not of Le Orme, that has various artists who performed .
Looking on youtube, they have the performance in 2 parts Edited by kenethlevine - December 05 2020 at 19:13 |
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Cool. Wish there was a live album. Is there a YouTube video of it?
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to me the Progday 1997 performance of Felona blows the studio version out of the water
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