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richardh 
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 Posted: December 19 2020 at 01:20 |
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Consistency is way overrated sadly. Eloy were on a different planet to almost any other band around 80-82. If you y/t stuff around that time they were off the scale for technical brilliance. PT even at their best around 2005 still look desperately average by comparison although they certainly weren't. Yep Eloy have some real stinkers like Ra but who cares about this when you have 7-10 great albums you can listen to?
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366 Dias de Música
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Posted: December 19 2020 at 01:50 |
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"You can not vote in this Poll" the first post I see ...
I'm out of here immediatly. |
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: December 19 2020 at 01:57 |
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Welcome to the site!  You need 40 points before you can vote in polls which honestly goes through quickly merely by posting a bit in threads or perhaps starting a discussion  It’s a little irritating I know but it’s implemented in order to weed out spam and cheating. Edited by Guldbamsen - December 19 2020 at 02:09 |
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Shadowyzard
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Posted: December 19 2020 at 02:21 |
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I voted for "Both equally" because I take delight in both, and one cannot be a "substitute" for the other in any way in my book. I think they can be compared as being well-known prog bands, but essentially the two's fandom have no emotional or intellectual connection, at least for my understanding and taste. Perhaps that's just me though.
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Cristi
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Posted: December 19 2020 at 03:52 |
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I don't think he cares, I've never seen anyone throw a hissy fit in their first post, so immature it's down right laughable.
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366 Dias de Música
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Posted: December 19 2020 at 04:13 |
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Hey , piece of sh*t, if you were close you'll not be laughing, unless you want to lose your teeth .
You better Kick me out of here fast and stick your stupid rules up your ass Mr site owner . |
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Cristi
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Posted: December 19 2020 at 04:23 |
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 like i said, so mature... maybe you can rejoin when you grow up a bit. You've been politely explained why these rules are necessary, if you do not understand, it's only ill-will on your part at this point.
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suitkees
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Posted: December 19 2020 at 04:23 |
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Go on like this little frustrated boy, and you will soon have your 40 points to finally be able to vote for Porcupine Tree. |
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366 Dias de Música
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Posted: December 19 2020 at 05:22 |
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This little boy was lucky, 5 minutes earlier in the line and I would be your dad.
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Cristi
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Posted: December 19 2020 at 05:25 |
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Based on your user name, one would think you love and want to discuss music here. Excuse us for being wrong.
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suitkees
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Posted: December 19 2020 at 05:53 |
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Good heavens, that's been a narrow escape for both of us, then. Strange that our first impressions were so way off... But, what did you actually want to vote for? BTW, only 35 points yet to go...
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moshkito
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Posted: December 19 2020 at 08:29 |
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Hi,
I have been with ELOY since the very first album on HIPGNOSIS. And while I did not like it as much until "Floating" and then "Power and the Passion" ... for over 20 years, ELOY was far out and very enjoyable and a staple on Guy's radio show always playing the latest. I never really "got" into PT until 1999, and I did go after a few CD's, but as much as it was very nice, it did not have the "difference" that the German scene, with ELOY had ... PT was not "original" ... but was doing stuff that was very much like the feeling in the olden days ... only for it to be gone as soon as they became "famous" ... !!! ELOY has almost 50 years in its history, and some outstanding albums ... PT only lived for about 20 plus years before fame distorted them to "trivial" or as SW used to say, he wanted to do something "heavier". The Germans were already "heavy", right from the start!
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verslibre
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Posted: December 19 2020 at 09:40 |
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That just means PT is more your bag, not necessarily that they're the more "consistent" band. Eloy is consistently good, IMHO. As it's been pointed out, PT's got stuff that sounds average at best, and nothing I rate on par with Eloy's magical 1977-82 period. Eloy really doesn't have an album I find unlistenable, and that includes the much-mailgned Ra.
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kenethlevine
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Posted: December 19 2020 at 14:16 |
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Ra actually has great songs, just the way they were presented was not the best, but I am glad to look past that. I think that Destinations was their weakest album up to the last few years, more irrelevant than unlistenable though.
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HackettFan
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Posted: December 19 2020 at 17:15 |
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Porcupine Tree, though I really do love Eloy too.
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moshkito
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Posted: December 19 2020 at 22:15 |
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Hi, I was thinking that PT is likely to be more appreciated, as it has a more "modern" sound that is easier on the ears of many listeners, on account of their "conditioning" to a lot of music and its effects from the sound and its quality. This was not the case when ELOY came out in the 1970's, and their individuality, to my ears, was only duplicated by JANE similarly, although it is easier to say that ELOY was more meaningful in their work than not, with concept albums that actually said something ... and I doubt that PT can, or should, be considered a concept band ... it's mostly over rated and accentuated songs. With heavy on the "accent" and the "loudness", not necessarily the contents!
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Dellinger
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Posted: December 22 2020 at 13:08 |
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I'm afraid that with such attitude, he shouldn't even get a chance to complete his 40 posts and be banned right away. He's arleady directly insulting anyone he get's to post with, I believe that must be against the rules. |
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Catcher10
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Posted: December 22 2020 at 13:15 |
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I have a couple Eloy albums............I have almost all of Porcupine Tree albums.
The Tree for me
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nick_h_nz
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Posted: December 22 2020 at 15:47 |
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It really doesn’t mean that at all. Eloy is more my bag, but I can recognise that their discography is not as consistent. If unlistenable is where you set your bar, then that’s up to you. Mine is higher. There’s no Eloy or PT album that is unlistenable for me. There are albums from both bands that don’t do a lot for me, and that I don’t exactly dislike, but nor do I greatly like. But overall, PT has less up and down, and therefore more consistency. I’ve not bothered to check, but it wouldn’t surprise me to see the ratings for PT are more consistent across the board than for Eloy. Edited by nick_h_nz - December 22 2020 at 15:48 |
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Lewian
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Posted: December 22 2020 at 18:30 |
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When it comes to being unlistenable, Ra is quite the car crash indeed in my view. And I have given it a few chances (admittedly I survived them all
 ). I can't find strong songwriting there either, let's say there are two tracks that I could have liked with a good production and arrangement, but even them I wouldn't have found them really strong. Eloy without Matze is just a no go.Edited by Lewian - December 22 2020 at 18:30 |
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