If we ignore the technical brilliance?

@Logan .... I think you should find the very first PA post and polish that krapp and repost it.....

MikeEnRegalia wrote: moshkito wrote: Where do you stand? My point is that no matter how they did it, some people are better at what they do than others. Could be through formal training or through other means, that's not really important to me. Some people are better, and that makes the music more enjoyable to me.

Logan wrote: .... I definitely like weird. And I likely am more into the weirder stuff than most here (be it in music, film, comedy, not so much in cuisine...). ....

If my "technically brilliant" you mean "playing scales over and over as fast as possible", then yeah...that can get boring. Some of the most skilled technicians in the world are boring to me. *cough*jordanrudess*cough*

MikeEnRegalia wrote: Logan wrote: ^ Are you being serious? Defensive? Epic humorous banter fail on my part if you were. It's a shame how easily people get offended these days ... back in the 90s I remember that discussions could actually be had about various topics, serious or trivial. Nowadays it seems like especially online people expect there to be universal agreement on everything (guided by the media). Any kind of dissent is treated like the worst thing that ever happened. Not disagreeing with something someone said is not "being defensive". It's just expressing an opinion.

What we need are more safe zones, trigger warnings, validation of others feelings, stop mansplaining, as well as recognising and checking our privilege if we fit the right, or should that be wrong?, demographic. And if course we all have to agree with the right opinions, or get cancelled    (now there's a time for a Mr. Winky emoji). Rather too anecdotal, but I do get the sense that people are more fragile now because fragility and a victim mentality has become more acceptable. And that people complain more because we are living more in a culture of complaining. Personal pride has always been an issue with people taking offence. I have noticed this expectation of agreement creeping in more, like it some obvious thing not up for debate or any critical examination, or maybe I also have become more aware of these things. There seems to be a lot more anger when it comes to dissent in my experience, and that's such a shame. Robust discussion and debate including on the most controversial issues is important. And I wish more could do it without getting all upset and without trying to shut people down. That I have seen so much the last few years, people trying to shut others down that they don't agree with instead of trying to rationally engage with their points. People with differences in opinion or different approaches too commonly get treated like the enemy.

Catcher10 wrote: @Logan .... I think you should find the very first PA post and polish that krapp and repost it.....

Close Encounters of the Turd Kind

Maybe I will. Those who think you can't polish a turd are very wrong. Now as for polishing a grungy youth with his pants halfway down his ass....

David_D wrote: Logan wrote: .... I definitely like weird. And I likely am more into the weirder stuff than most here (be it in music, film, comedy, not so much in cuisine...). .... <span style="white-space:pre">     </span>Is Grunge not weird and emotional enough for you?

Never thought of grunge music itself as really weird, but the grunge movement did seem weird to me, what with those grungy kids with their oversized pants hanging halfway down their buttocks. They were aliens to this smartly dressed young man. As for your Grunge list topic, I haven't explored grunge much. I like Nirvana's Nevermind and In Utero, but have not listened to those in quite a long time. I guess there plenty of related music I have been into.

If Frank Zappa was alive and I saw him logged in, I'd be tempted to ban him even before he posted. People would all be like, "What's up with you? You just banned Frank Zappa! And for no reason!" And I'd be like, "Yeah, I the man!" Kidding. I think Zappa would be given more slack, and respect, just for being Zappa. Although if he blatantly broke the rules, I'm sure the mods would be Frank with him.

Nothing wrong with a bit of snark in my opinion, and sometimes a bit more than a bit, depends on the situation and the person you are dealing with. Snarkiness can be fun, and if one can't take a little snark, maybe people should watch their words and attitude more and maybe consider staying away from any public places including internet forums. Frankly, I enjoy a bit of insulting (both being insulted and insulting others), but I try to keep it to a minimum. It's not always easy. It's like some people are just begging to be ridiculed. And sometimes it's me who is begging to be ridiculed, but the b*****ds won't oblige.

Edited by Logan - June 13 2023 at 08:13

MikeEnRegalia wrote: Logan wrote: ^ Are you being serious? Defensive? Epic humorous banter fail on my part if you were. It's a shame how easily people get offended these days ... back in the 90s I remember that discussions could actually be had about various topics, serious or trivial. Nowadays it seems like especially online people expect there to be universal agreement on everything (guided by the media). Any kind of dissent is treated like the worst thing that ever happened. Not disagreeing with something someone said is not "being defensive". It's just expressing an opinion.

Floydian42 wrote: How about Porcupine Tree? The music isn't complicated at all, but that takes nothing away from the brilliance in the music!

It may not be complicated, but it's still got some brilliant song-writing. 

Edited by Cristi - June 13 2023 at 10:19

siLLy puPPy wrote: Cristi wrote: ] Floydian42 wrote: How about Porcupine Tree? The music isn't complicated at all, but that takes nothing away from the brilliance in the music! It may not be complicated, but it's still got some brilliant song-writing.  Everyone seems to overlook the bloated production on acts like Porcupine Tree. Most of the swirling mixing sounds are from the technical wizardry of production.

Logan wrote: ....As for your Grunge list topic, I haven't explored grunge much. I like Nirvana's Nevermind and In Utero, but have not listened to those in quite a long time. I guess there plenty of related music I have been into.