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George, I was actually waiting for you to bring forward Orchestre Tout Puissant Marcel Duchamp, because it was you who introduced me to this wonderful group in one of the interactive polls. I bought their - fantastic - latest album on vinyl in the mean time. But I'm not waiting anymore, I'm too impatient... ;)

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Thanks Greg and Ian for the new suggestions! They have been added to the playlist. I'll update the poll list later.

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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

@George: That version doesn't play for me. It may well be it but I can't tell.

It took a bit of manipulation, but I think I added both videos to the playlist so it will be there for people who can't see one.
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

Terje Rypdal/David Darling --- EOS ... 

Aside from the first cut, which I think it basically telling you to get out if you don't have an ear, the rest of this is just the two of them in a small room/chamber doing some unbelievable stuff ... to me, the guitar in many moments is what Hendrix would do if he had ever grown older. 

Sadly, not many folks will listen to it, because it is ECM ... and the far out experiments in music they did, specially in those early days! We just don't have the ears for it, I don't think.

Hi Pedro,

Thanks for the suggestion. I was able to stream the album on my Amazon account and enjoyed the lyrical interplay between the two musicians. I may lean toward classifying this as chamber jazz. I know you don't do the video post thing, so I have a selected a track for the playlist. The album itself isn't on YouTube but various tracks are available from a David Darling compilation album.

Serje Rypdal & David Darling - Bedtime Story
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Absolutely lovely ... 

I have never, EVER, looked at EOS or even this, as a "jazz" or "this or that" album. To my ear it is simply impossible, if we just close out eyes and follow the flow of the music ... it has less to do with what kind it is, than it does with its own desire to continue the feeling and the flow. This, could, have been done 100, 200 years ago, and probably was but never "recorded" (in those days in notes) so we could hear the interplay and expression, and we know that existed, when there was so much going on with piano and voice, and other combinations.

For me, and it is a most important feeling, the idea of "chamber rock" is fine, as long as we know what "chamber" meant, but the issue I found here is ... because the term "rock" was used, that the idea of it being actually like "chamber music of the old days, was not the idea or what was meant at all!

There is so much great music out there, that is better judged without a supposed connection to this or that ... which more often than not hurts the artist ... Rypdal for me, is not about "jazz" as much as he is about "classical" (not to mention the incredible number of classical works), even though to our ears, there maybe some jazz musings, which I would think that even Terje might not consider them jazz, by just saying ... it's how the notes come out! Davis Darling, as well, is not exactly known for being a jazz person either, and his early days, with Carlos Nakai (one album specially had DD all over it and made it better) even showed that trying to put a stamp on a player was not the right thing. 

But then, I had stopped putting a stamp on players and their music by the time "progressive music" came around ... I had already heard too many things, and different things by the same person/composer, to ever consider that people were stuck in a time warp, like we put musicians in! Wink
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Ok, as long as there are a few spots left I will suggest the following two tracks, one of which is a replacement for France Gall and her song by Serge Gainsbourg.

American indie rockers Grizzly Bear draw influcences, among others, from the Beach Boys who defined chamber pop/rock back in the 1960s. Their influence is clearly recognizable in the chosen track, in others maybe less. Grizzly Bear opened for Radiohead on their 2008 North American tour btw. and Johnny Greenwood was quite taken by them at the time.

Grizzly Bear: Two Weeks (Album: Veckatimest, 2009)


Even though these British newcomers are now widely known I want to bring them here because their sophomore album is one of my favourite releases of 2022. Besides this is about a more or less representative playlist, if I have understood correctly, also I have noticed several bands in the line-up that we know already from previous IA-polls. :P

Black Country, New Road: Chaos Space Marine (Album: Ants from Up There, 2022)




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@George: That version doesn't play for me. It may well be it but I can't tell.
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@Mila, the rock aspect is hard to define. And in part, was why I decided to do an interactive playlist/poll. Some of what has been suggested lie more toward modern chamber music. Like Christian, I am not entirely sure of what is or is not chamber rock. There was good discussion in the other thread and examples stated that could or could not be, but I wanted to encourage posting of tracks so we could listen and decide or not.
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@Christian, the Aquaserge track doesn't play for me. Is this it and does this version play for you?
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Then, some artists I have in mind may not be rock enough, if chamber without a doubt. For example the gorgeous Five-Storey Ensemble.
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The discussion, and looking around for other stuff, make me aware that I don't really know either what is chamber rock and what isn't. The 2022 Aquaserge album "The Possibility of a New Work for Aquaserge" is as chamber rock as it gets in my book (actually the tracks make clear reference to and take strong inspiration from leading modern composers), but I've never seen this called or tagged as chamber anything. Well what do I know? You can put this in the playlist of you think it fits.
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Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

@Mila. Good point. I would say that the Serge Gainsbourg composition is chamber or even orchestral pop. Part of this playlist/poll creation was motivated by the Teach Me About Chamber Rock thread linked in the original post. I am interested in learning more and part is in understanding a good definition.

I asked ChatGPT for examples and posted its response in the other thread. I asked again just now and got a different set of examples. It's still learning. Here's the response I got, which includes an answer to me also asking for characteristics.

Thanks for all the info, George! I couldn't answer you right away. Yes, as I already suspected earlier, this poll is basically about rock based chamber music, although that is not always clearly recognisable in the tracks proposed so far, also with regard to the rock music style that normally is characteristic of chamber pop/rock. If I can, I will suggest something else. Could you please delete the France Gall video, since her song doesn't fit the theme really.


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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

Terje Rypdal/David Darling --- EOS ... 

Aside from the first cut, which I think it basically telling you to get out if you don't have an ear, the rest of this is just the two of them in a small room/chamber doing some unbelievable stuff ... to me, the guitar in many moments is what Hendrix would do if he had ever grown older. 

Sadly, not many folks will listen to it, because it is ECM ... and the far out experiments in music they did, specially in those early days! We just don't have the ears for it, I don't think.

Hi Pedro,

Thanks for the suggestion. I was able to stream the album on my Amazon account and enjoyed the lyrical interplay between the two musicians. I may lean toward classifying this as chamber jazz. I know you don't do the video post thing, so I have a selected a track for the playlist. The album itself isn't on YouTube but various tracks are available from a David Darling compilation album.

Serje Rypdal & David Darling - Bedtime Story


I also saw a review video for the album on YouTube and the reviewer, on the first track, said (and I am paraphrasing) that it was something you might hear at music store from someone trying out and showing off on a new electric guitar. I thought that was funny. He loved the rest of the album. 
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With Juneteenth coming up here in the U.S., I am suggesting a track from an album by DJ Spooky and the Kronos Quartet. The album is the soundtrack to a multimedia project called Rebirth of a Nation. This is a reimagining/remix of W.D. Griffiths classic and racist film Birth of a Nation. For those outside of the U.S., Juneteenth is a holiday commemorating the emancipation of African American slaves. Birth of a Nation was about the post-American Civil War period called the Restoration and glorifies the rise of the Ku Klux Klan.

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Edit: I replaced the track I posted withe one I was looking for initially because it didn't turn up on my first search on YouTube.

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@Mila. Good point. I would say that the Serge Gainsbourg composition is chamber or even orchestral pop. Part of this playlist/poll creation was motivated by the Teach Me About Chamber Rock thread linked in the original post. I am interested in learning more and part is in understanding a good definition.

I asked ChatGPT for examples and posted its response in the other thread. I asked again just now and got a different set of examples. It's still learning. Here's the response I got, which includes an answer to me also asking for characteristics.

Quote Chamber rock is a genre that combines elements of classical chamber music with rock and other contemporary styles. It typically features a blend of classical instruments, such as strings, woodwinds, and brass, with electric guitars, keyboards, and drums. Here are some examples and characteristics of chamber rock:

"Apocalypse in 9/8" by Genesis: This song from the album "Supper's Ready" showcases the fusion of rock and classical elements, featuring intricate instrumental sections, dynamic shifts, and complex time signatures.

"Time and a Word" by Yes: This track from the album of the same name incorporates orchestral arrangements alongside progressive rock elements, including elaborate vocal harmonies, keyboard flourishes, and intricate guitar work.

"A Day in the Life" by The Beatles: While not strictly categorized as chamber rock, this iconic song combines orchestral arrangements with rock instrumentation, showcasing a merger of classical and popular music sensibilities.

"Rooks" by Shearwater: This contemporary chamber rock band incorporates acoustic and electric instruments, along with lush vocal harmonies and poetic lyrics. The song exemplifies the blending of folk-inspired melodies with a rock foundation.

"Heretics" by Andrew Bird: Andrew Bird often combines violin, guitar, and whistling with layered loops and intricate arrangements, creating a unique blend of chamber pop and indie rock. "Heretics" is a prime example of his style.

Characteristics of chamber rock:

Classical instrumentation: Chamber rock typically incorporates classical instruments such as violins, cellos, flutes, clarinets, and horns alongside traditional rock instruments like guitars, bass, drums, and keyboards.

Orchestral arrangements: Chamber rock often utilizes elaborate and intricate orchestral arrangements, including string sections, brass arrangements, and woodwind parts, creating a rich and textured sound.

Complex compositions: Chamber rock compositions often feature complex and sophisticated musical structures, incorporating diverse time signatures, key changes, and intricate instrumental passages.

Fusion of styles: Chamber rock combines the melodic and harmonic characteristics of classical music with the energy, rhythms, and instrumentation of rock, creating a unique blend of genres.

Emphasis on dynamics: Chamber rock frequently incorporates dramatic shifts in dynamics, moving from quiet, intimate sections to powerful and climactic moments, highlighting the contrast between the classical and rock elements.

Experimental and progressive tendencies: Many chamber rock artists push the boundaries of traditional song structures, experimenting with unconventional instrumentation, unconventional song lengths, and progressive compositional techniques.

These examples and characteristics provide a glimpse into the diverse and fascinating world of chamber rock, showcasing the fusion of classical and rock music in innovative and creative ways.
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Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

Thanks Mila! Speaking only for myself as a non-European, I am not all familiar with this. And I actually didn't know any Serge Gainsbourg until Greg (Logan) posted a track in an Interactive Poll. Fun to hear new to me music.
I know that you are open to new things and I appreciate that very much! But I'm actually not quite sure what kind of music we're talking about here. I only know 'chamber or baroque pop' as a music genre designation. The definition is rather loose and includes all kind of popular music combined with orchestral musical instruments and vocal harmonies. Do you want to emphasise with the term 'chamber rock' that it is about music that is primarily based on rock? Nowadays 'chamber pop' appears esp. in the context with both, indie pop and indie rock music. The term is also used in the field of electronic music such as ambient etc. I'm familiar with chamber pop from the 20th century, esp from the 60s and the 90s but I would rather bring something contemporary.- The question obviously comes from someone less familiar with the prog universe. lol


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Hi,

Terje Rypdal/David Darling --- EOS ... 

Aside from the first cut, which I think it basically telling you to get out if you don't have an ear, the rest of this is just the two of them in a small room/chamber doing some unbelievable stuff ... to me, the guitar in many moments is what Hendrix would do if he had ever grown older. 

Sadly, not many folks will listen to it, because it is ECM ... and the far out experiments in music they did, specially in those early days! We just don't have the ears for it, I don't think.
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Thanks Mila! Speaking only for myself as a non-European, I am not all familiar with this. And I actually didn't know any Serge Gainsbourg until Greg (Logan) posted a track in an Interactive Poll. Fun to hear new to me music.
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