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cstack3
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I've seen some interesting artwork generated using AI tools, is anyone using A.I. to compose prog music?
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If they are not sure it would count as musical artistry.......
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I thought that's what YES did for Mirror To The Sky.
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Brutal! :-)
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I just searched online and found this:
Maybe AI will help our artists out with writing block??
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Could be an interesting tool for compositional enhancement-- not unlike what composers traditionally did for hundreds of years, which was to synthesize musical ideas & phrases that already existed into something new. |
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I used a fractal music generator twice back in 1999 and 2001 to generate short MIDI tracks. Not exactly AI, but both are just programming code underneath and nothing more.
I haven't played around with any recent AI music generators and have little interest in them at the moment, but from what I've seen they seem suitable for television/internet commercials, soundtracks, and such. Much cheaper than paying for real music. They've probably already been used in pop music in the last 10-15 years, if not for ideas, then to generate parts of a song. Good composers will use it as just another tool in their toolkit. Not-so-good composers will probably use it without making any changes and pass it off as their own. C'est la vie. |
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Thanks, great answer! The late, great bassist for Starcastle, Gary Strater, released a cool solo CD called Eleven to the Fourth Twice, synthesized electronic ambient music based on fractal equations. I hadn't made the connection of AI to fractal compositions, I know other prog musicians have dabbled in them. I went to the link I posted earlier & tried a few things....I like to play solo electric guitar (Fripp-style) over loops, so it gives me one more thing to fool around with. BTW, I once saw Mike Keneally solo on top of Fripp's Soundscapes in concert (opening for G3 in Chicago), it was sublime! There are a few recordings available from DGM.
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If it's used as a tool to enhance a composition, that would be great. If the AI creates the music, I'm guessing it would lack emotion, feeling, etc. So far, I don't know for sure if it's been used by anyone.
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Hi,
There was, many years ago, in California, one place that had music composed artificially by a computer, and they ended up presenting it to the public and just about no one else knew the piece or who the composer was. In the end, it wasn't until the folks found out that the music was done by a computer, that folks decided they didn't like it. The funny thing was that the music was actually very nice and very good, all things considered, but the element that hurt was the fact that we were "deceived" ... and I think that reaction naïve and very bizarre, simply because someone did not hear a few things they liked or were comfortable with. New music, of any kind, will always be hated ... for many good reasons, but also for many wrong reasons. I imagine the same thing will happen again .... and again ... and again .. and again.
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Music is created in the ear of the listener. We may have emotions when listening that have not been put into the music by the composers, and we may feel something also when listening to AI generated music. When I was at school we had a very innovative computer class, and as a project I coded a "solo generator" that would just play random notes on a scale with random length but some side conditions respecting the rhythm and some musical "rules" that made it slightly less terrible. It didn't shake the world of music to the core to be honest, but that was in 1985 or so. With today's possibilities it should be possible to do a far better job.
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I used A.I. once for a couple of images for a lyric video... That's the end for me. I will pay a professional for Forbidden Myth's artwork for the next album and i will continue write the music and lyrics. And i will continue to collaborate with other musicians... I believe that A.I. will destroy many of the fields of creativity and it's a shame that so many professionals will lose their jobs...
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A long time ago, I read something about using random noise to generate musical data. It said that a pink noise distribution is the optimum for creating interesting music. White noise creates music that is too erratic, and brown noise creates music that is too dull. |
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I think you are correct. I've messed around on ChatGPT to help me write some technical articles, it is amazing how powerful it is (and it is still primitive). However, I still think the salvation is reasonably-priced live music. This cannot be replaced easily with AI (they can try with recordings, holographs etc. I don't think the public will respond to this as well as seeing a true artist making music. Years ago, I played as bassist to one of Bob Fripp's first Guitar Craft students, Lon Jones. Lon just loved to play & perform, and Tulsa OK was seething with progressive artists, so I played at a number of venues, for crowds up to a thousand or more. Never made a dime on it, didn't care. Musicians of the world, don't quit your day job. |
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Maybe AI will be able to create prog-like music - but will it have any passion?
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It will but it probably won't have a personality IMHO.
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I did mean personality too in my thinking.
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I support the use of AI in the creative process. It is a great way to generate new ideas.
Jimmy Page once said that he would tune his guitars to different odd tunings just to generate new musical ideas. I've done that also. It is very powerful. AI is similar. As a teacher, I haven't dealt with a tool like ChatGPT yet. Instead of hoping my students would NOT use that platform, I would assign them to complete a paper using ChatGPT, then hand-write the answer, analyze the facts and improve it with their thinking skills. I'll do that someday. Musical tools like Mellotron were once feared and reviled by traditional orchestra musicians, who saw the device as a threat. Bah. If anything, classical music is more popular and accepted now.
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I had the same thought and got an AI art generator to create album covers of 'man on rock outcrop on star filled night in style of Roger Dean' they weren't too bad. |
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