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The Dark Elf ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 13395 |
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I think it is a tragic last gasp of a bitter old man trying desperately to rewrite his own history. Make no mistake, there is nothing "progressive" about this remake, and let's be honest, remakes are inherently diametrically opposed to any hint of progressiveness. Waters' failed attempt at continued relevance has proven how irrelevant he has become.
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21817 |
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^ Musically he was awesome on stage on his recent tour, and his lockdown tracks were great (Mother, Gunner, Two Suns, Bravery). As far as politics are concerned I think he nailed it in his speech at the UN, and in his open letter to Putin. The redux songs - not my favorite format.
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I don't want to hear it. Nowadays Roger is better as politician than as artist.
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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MortSahlFan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: March 01 2018 Location: US Status: Offline Points: 3181 |
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I didn't care for this version of "Time" which is probably my favorite song ever. However, it doesn't take anything away from the original.
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You got all that from fuzzy socks and propeller beanies? I'm impressed.
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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 18059 |
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I've never been a real fan of Waters solo material. I enjoy Amused pretty well cause it has good music, but most others can't get into at all. And this talk/singing stuff is crazy boring.
Pink Floyd completist are buying the album but I doubt it's because they like it really, really well... ![]() I have zero interest in what he does.
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Zzzzzzzzzz.
Hard pass.
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Welcome to the middle of the film.
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Stressed Cheese ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 16 2022 Location: The Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 540 |
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If you're not changing some things, what's the point of doing DSOTM again? On the other hand, if you change so much, why base it off of DSOTM in the first place? I'll tell you why. Seems like Roger had some prose or vague ideas that he knew wouldn't make for an attention-grabbing enough album, so he used DSOTM's 50th anniversary, which he knew would get 100x the media traction than another RW original album. Added bonus is that he can use this to rail against Gilmour/Mason/Wright, which only helps the media attention. This whole thing isn't a passion project, it's just cynical.
At the end of the day, though, the instrumental parts, the mix and most of all the vocals are so much worse than the original, that there's 0 reasons to listen to this. People will listen to this out of morbid curiosity, and that's it. Also, sometimes less is more. DSOTM got its messages across nicely. Adding more lyrics to it is just a bad move, period. At least he didn't go as overboard with it as on Money. I don't need to hear an 80-year old's ramblings on his world view or politics, and I certainly don't need to hear it in DSOTM.
First of all, it doesn't matter how we would feel about it if there wasn't an original, because there IS an original. It doesn't, and can never, exist independently of the original. It doesn't deserve to be judged independently because it's not an original song. Second of all, people would likely still hate it, because it f**king sucks ass. |
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I don't remember what his aim was in revisiting the DSoTM album, but for the moment, after Money and Time, it is clear to me that he demonstrates that Wright's, Mason's and Gilmour's contributions were... erm... instrumental. I doubt that this was his original intention. If this was issued in 1973, then Pink Floyd would not have been part of the Big Six nowadays.
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Right but I'd like the redux to make it 'better' or at least 'different but of similar quality'. Not suck.
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I liked it, 3/5, better than money lol (although I didn't find it bad either) I don't think I'll be able to listen to 40 minutes of that though if all songs of the album have similar mod.
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Frets N Worries ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 30 2023 Location: Your Basement Status: Offline Points: 4261 |
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Nowhere Near as bad as 'Money'
Gilmour's Best Solo (In My Opinion) was sorely missed. I enjoy spoken word in songs, but I am not a fan of his 'Poetry'
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The Wheel of Time Turns, and Ages come and pass. What was, what will be, and what is, may yet fall under the shadow.
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21817 |
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You’re describing the essence of “redux”. ![]() |
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Time to say goodbye ....
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Nogbad_The_Bad ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant/Zeuhl & Eclectic Team Joined: March 16 2007 Location: Boston Status: Offline Points: 21658 |
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Oh I agree, but we do have the original and it wonderful. One thing this has done is make me go back to the original which I haven't listened to in ages due to overplay. It's still wonderful. |
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I do find some of Waters phrasing a bit weird
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Hi, I wonder if we say that because we have heard the "original" so many times. No one answered the question how would you feel if it had never been done and this was a new song ... and maybe the issue here is that we're not capable of looking at it as a new song ... we have to "compare it" ... and as such, there are a lot of differences, but those don't necessarily make it worse, unless you have Tiny Tim doing the vocals for you ... or Pee Wee Herman! If I listen to it as something new, my review is already listed above ... the last part is showing how the album was "transitioned" to make room for the next piece and "keep it" within a "concept" atmosphere, which the next song, for me, in that case, would not fit! But like another song later, maybe if it was sung by Roy Harper, we might enjoy and appreciate the thing better! I'm not a fan of that song, btw, but the visuals were far out in the show.
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One of the most UNNECESSARY releases I have ever seen.
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