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moshkito
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Posted: February 04 2024 at 19:29 |
Hi, I think we have to give in to the history of music a bit, and not continue to keep a period alive ... sort of like c'mon ... the Romantic Period has been over for 150 years and no one is looking for Post-Romantic, or Neo-Romantic, and I think this is something that eventually we have to draw a line on ... we're trying to keep a small time period of about 10 years totally alive, and the fact is that 50 years later, it is very different and the requirements nowadays, are not anywhere near the "originals". All music, in its history is a "progression" from what it was before, and that would suggest that the invention of the term for this music was erroneous and not specifically helpful to the description and design of the music at all ... and I think this is the real issue ... the term applies "today" ... but things are nowhere near the ideas that helped define and create the originals, which were totally anti-commercial and today's listings, are much closer to being commercial than they really are "progressive" in the original sense. And that would mean that the new new new and totally different stuff belongs in a new area of description and design. I'm not sure that we, here, are even interested in this, and would rather have a multi-faceted progressive this or that.
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Posted: February 03 2024 at 14:50 |
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I wonder if its because early prog is what most listen to judging by threads all over the internet.
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Posted: February 03 2024 at 09:16 |
I was in touch with Jerry Lucky for a while a few years ago but at some point he didn't get back to me. Anyway, yeah I doubt there will be an update but you never know. It's good for the first 30 years of prog rock or so but it doesn't get as far as the 21st century unfortunately. You could tell something was going on when these first two editions came out though (as far as bands still making prog music). My biggest complaint about the book is the so called index in the back. He basically copied and pasted Greg Walker's (from synphonic) catalog without giving credit. It's totally unnecessary. Just go to the website. In his defense progarchives didn't exist yet so I guess he just wanted some kind of comprehensive band list. I think a link (or a mention) to the old GEPR would have been better though
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Posted: February 03 2024 at 08:54 |
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Acid Dragon published booklets too: Favourite All Time Progressive Rock Albums by Philip Jackson Volume one: the origins of progressive rock: how prog was born. 24pp Volume two: the survey. A guide to the 100 best prog albums. 36pp Storia Di Un Minuto by T.
Sportouche & J. Toni : a guide to the Italian prog rock of the 70's - New edition! More than 100 references! 50 pp The Brass Lizard by Jacques
Toni : a comprehensive guide to the brass prog rock of the 70's 44pp   Edited by Thierry - February 06 2024 at 02:19 |
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Posted: November 07 2023 at 18:25 |
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Jerry Lucky: The Progressive Rock Files. Collector’s Guide Publishing 2000. is my go to source as it is gives both a history of Progressive Rock and Excellent Summary of Prog Bands how they sound and their recordings Given it was published in 2000, it needs to be updated
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Posted: October 29 2023 at 08:01 |
Well, critizicing a book solely by its title, particularly if you have not read it, IS missing the point. If you think the book discusses the colour of the instruments...  ...Kindly read the readers' reviews first, and perhaps then you will get some grasp about it. One of the reviews is titled "Don't judge this book by its cover!".
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Posted: October 29 2023 at 06:47 |
Hi, You are incorrect about this. And it is specially clear with synthesizers that became an "instrument" during the time of progressive music, which should be given the credit for its development, more than any of the lab stuff from before. You miss the point, I think. It's not the color of the bass that makes the music, or any other fancy guitar or that funny bass with The Grateful Dead. It's the player behind it, and the band itself, that were able to come up with something that worked well. If your book was "The story of Prog Rock" ... I would think it was fine. But it's title is a fan's dream to catch a piece of the pig. I don't go to concerts for the "instruments! I go to concerts for the music! And that's the massive difference between your work and my view of life.
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Posted: October 29 2023 at 01:58 |
If you are unable to understand the importance of technology in the development of music in the 60s and 70s (and beyond), obviously you will not be able to appreciate a book which discusses the subject. Fortunately (for me) the readers' opinions (ratings and reviews) prove that most fans do understand and appreciate the existence of such a book.
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Posted: October 28 2023 at 09:48 |
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I just finished Keith Emerson and Greg Lake's autobiographies, which I read simultaneously, so I could be around the same period/events, and compare their writings. I think biographies are the way to go. I always liked the quote, "History is biography"
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Posted: October 28 2023 at 06:28 |
Hi, As is THE ALBUM COVER book, even though it is not exactly about prog rock", but it shows quickly that the more interesting bands that became known as progressive and prog, were indeed at the forefront of a lot of things, not just the music! In general, I prefer the material that is not a part of the "machine" like so many of these were and became. And, sadly, many of the books, only discuss the parts that made them famous and prettier than Twiggy! The thing that bothers me the most, is the obvious one ... the "instruments" of this and that ... like these were not used by everyone else all over the world. Heck, where did many synths come from? Japan and a clock maker! Where did Fender come from? America. Where did Hammond come from? Where did ... you name it ... it's all over. But we, somehow, are convinced that the instruments made the difference, and it was the highlight of the show ... sorry ... that's a crock ... the piece of the pig became a bigger highlight than the show itself ... which was about the fans, by that time, not the music. And this is the main issue for me with the "instruments" of this or that!
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Posted: October 27 2023 at 14:44 |
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I don't think these have been mentioned yet:
Rock Progressivo Italiano: An Introduction to Italian Progressive Rock - by Andrea Parentin, published in 2011. ItalianProg: The Comprehensive Guide to the Italian Progressive Music of the 70s - by Augusto Croce, published in 2016. Essential Mini-Guide to Progressive Rock: Past & Present - by Ronald Couture, published in 2006. |
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Posted: October 27 2023 at 12:24 |
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Thank you so much for all your answers ! They are very precise and various, this is all I was searching for. Now all I can do is trying to obtain all of them
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Posted: October 25 2023 at 14:05 |
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Posted: October 25 2023 at 14:01 |
Dag Erik Asbjørnsen: Cosmic Dreams at Play (Krautrock) Vernon Joynson: Tapestry Of Delight 63 to 76 UK Vernon Joynson: Fuzz Acid & Drealms 63 to 76 USA Vernon Joynson: Dreams, Fantasy & Nightmares - Oz, NZ, Can, Latin Am & South Africa 63-76 It's a little sad that all these Borderline Books stop at 76, not only inside the bands' discographies, but also up & coming bands outiside the 76 time frame - there are odd exceptions .
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Posted: October 25 2023 at 11:40 |
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Sid Smiths recently updated book on King Crimson is definitive.
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Posted: October 25 2023 at 11:29 |
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As an interesting complement to all the works mentioned, try 'The Work of Hipnosis - Walk Away René' (publ. 1978) if you can find it as it delves into much of the classic artwork created by Hipnosis. ISBN 0-905895-08-8
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Posted: October 25 2023 at 02:09 |
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If I'm allowed some self-promotion, my book "The Musical Instruments of Progressive Rock; An Illustrated Guide" is published in English and Spanish (readers' rating 4.4 out of 5 in Amazon for its English version, and 4.9 out of 5 for its Spanish version).
Kindly check out the book synopsis and the readers' reviews, nearly all of them are 5-stars. I attempted to write a book about Prog which is different from all the other books about Prog (which may talk about the genre's history, the bands, bios, the songs, the lyrics etc). My book combines the history of Prog with the history of the musical instruments most frequently used in it, so it's a book about Prog told from a different angle. And Amazon.com has it currently with a 25% or 28% price discount. I would love to see it once published in French and/or any other languages, but so far I have been unable to find any interested publishers, and self-translation and self-publishing is too expensive for me. Edited by Gerinski - October 25 2023 at 02:13 |
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Posted: October 25 2023 at 00:28 |
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"Prog Rock FAQ" is a good one I'm currently working through. I enjoy it because it covers artists and topics that are a little more off-the-beaten-path, so to speak. So the stories are less well known. The author, Will Romano (same guy who wrote the aforementioned "Mountains Come Out Of the Sky") not only dug deep for some great quotes and info, but also included several interviews with musicians from all over the prog world.
The Real Frank Zappa Book by the man himself was a fun read, as well.
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Posted: October 24 2023 at 10:31 |
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Hi,
I kinda think that books about "prog rock" are too generalized and not as clear and concise as they could, or should be. In general, writing one of those for your music class is not going to get you a good grade as the comments about the music, often are more a preference and a commercial idea, than they really are about something which makes sense musically, and "fits" into a music history, as something that is logical, makes sense with the time and place, and has elements in it that show something about the "progression" of the music history over the years. To get this, it is far better to look at the artists individually, since they are all really different and have a very strong and artistic design in their minds for what they do, and in many ways, a lot of these ideas take apart the silly notions that a lot of "prog rock" or "progressive music" books and magazines have ... which has helped create a commercial sound that is not at all progressive ... and lacks the originality and focus of an artistic piece of work, instead of just some notes, a format, and then a bridge, and then ... heaven forbid, the guitar solo, and then a blue bass guitar ... and then ... something that is less about the music itself than it is the commercial interest of the music. You don't sit here and wonder about Paganini's blue violin, or brown violin ... you read and learn about how he influenced music and was able to improvise and add to the music, something that commercial music lacks, a "freedom" about it all. As such, there are some books that are more interesting than others. King Crimson, Can, Magma, Eno, Robert Wyatt, Gong, Banco, ELP, (earlier stuff) Bill Bruford, and even Frank Zappa, ... all of these show a mind at work ... and show a very special touch about how they feel about their music, and in many ways ... ALL of these are more "progressive" than any of those books. One last note ... something which is "anti-music" that we don't understand ... and it is in the Robert Wyatt book ... and it is about Syd Barrett, in a session for one of his pieces. A guitarist asks Robert what key Syd was in, and the reply? ... "... he don't know keys or chords. he just plays!" ... we do not even consider that some folks simply play (and in this case probably write) strictly by the sound they hear and are able to come up with ... it has less to do with notes and chords than it does by how it is interpreted ... and no book on "prog/progressive" has the balls or ability to tackle the most intuitive of it all ... that is the source of all new musics everywhere ... and by its very nature "progressive". So, ask yourself ... what do you want to learn about, other than some crap about the "star" ... ? One last'est note ... Archie Patterson's EUROCK book is a collection of his periodical going back to its start. In it are incredible articles and interviews with many artists, and the great thing about it? It's neat, but also strange. Reading Richard Pinhas ideas about music and what he does, is something that no one here will ever consider or bother discussing, besides the fact that the philosophical discussion around it is very tough reading for us simple rock minded folks! Take a plunge, if you dare!
Edited by moshkito - October 24 2023 at 10:35 |
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