Are proghead nerds?

Sean Trane wrote: omphaloskepsis wrote: All four men are alpha males. All four are married and still listen to prog. Surely there must be a certain trace of nerdism stuck in between those layers of muscle Gnik Nosmirc wrote: Sean Trane wrote: Absofùckinglutely. I'd never heard in North Am (Central Canada) of progressive rock in the 70's , even if the qualificative was sometimes used) and even less of "prog" (or "PROG"). And yes, we had teachers that enjoyed Crimson, Floyd & ELP. Certainly, back then, today's "PROG" pioneer-bands and their fans were not ostracized, especially if they enjoyed other type of rock. Trouble arose when punk started happening in 77, but by that time, it was the birth of all these chapels: the different camp were mostly hard rock (and heavy metal), Funk/Soul, Country/soft Rock (Yacht rock didn't exist back then), disco, AOR (the latter two were where most of the girls to be found) Upon return to western Europe in 91, when asked about my musical tastes in the Belgian-state owned TV/Radio where I found my first job (and where I made most of my friends & buddies, still today), most everyone understood "hard rock", when I spoke of "art rock", so when specifying the groups, some spoke of "progressive rock", but the term "PROG" wasn't coined yet. This IMHO came about in the mid-90's, when progheads/nerds/jerks/dorks started appearing and the scene was growing from non-existant to a secular & secretive gigs out in the boondocks. In some ways those nerds/dorks were very helpfull in creating that second (or third) golden age ( or wave), because it's mostly their devotion and labor that helped it grow. I love pretty much everything from the 70's (even punk) so I would have fit everywhere. Great times. let's not overdo things with rampant nostalgia either The 70's were troubles times (Nam, Cambodia, birth of modern terrorism, Petrol Crisis, etc...) and some awful habits abounded: that rampant heterosexuality , heavy use of tobacco everywhere , birth of disco (and queerism) , country music even   Le Séparatisme de La Belle Province killed partly the spirits and ruined an economy. So yeah, I enjoyed the 70's tremendously, but it wasn't a golden era. .

I meant musically, not politically.

Saperlipopette! wrote: ^ I too can't help but think of the 1970's as a cultural golden era (I'll include th 1960's as well. People actually listen to-and bought quite challenging Jazz records - and watched works of art in cinema). There was actual artistic freedom even within the mainstream - at least to an extent. -and one can't blame the 1970's for country music. I don't really mind tobacco, disco (in fact I find it too easily dismissed and UNDRERRATED) or queerism either (or maybe I'm misunderstanding what queerism means).

Disco, AOR and yacht rock are dope. Also, New Hollywood was amazing and many great underrated directors such as Altman, Cassavetes or Lumet emerged from it.

Saperlipopette! wrote: ^ I too can't help but think of the 1970's as a cultural golden era (I'll include th 1960's as well. People actually listen to-and bought quite challenging Jazz records - and watched works of art in cinema). There was actual artistic freedom even within the mainstream - at least to an extent. -and one can't blame the 1970's for country music. I don't really mind tobacco, disco (in fact I find it too easily dismissed and UNDRERRATED) or queerism either (or maybe I'm misunderstanding what queerism means).

I am a cultural historian and the way Id characterize the 70's was that moment when the USA's hegemony was acting out in full flower, culturally and corporately (economically). It was in many ways a crest and coast that lasted till the real squeeze on the middle class began to be felt in the 90's.   The 50s and 60's with the end of WWII and all the GI bill expansion of education and worldiness from GI's returning + space race etc was this sense of climbing a hill (those challenging Jazz records, abstract expressionism etc... thenm the kitsch came in the 70's)... 70's were a kind of crest and picnic spot. Not really a peak moment or golden age but as sense of enjoying the view. In many ways the 70's were nostalgia for its current moment.   Sadly that moment was very pornstache and polyester. I enjoyed the prog though. Pretty nerdy but not in an uncool unselfconscious way.    I was a kid and films like The secret lives of altar boys feels more nostalgic to what I experienced... you know Schwinns in suburbs with banana seats etc.

Edited by Themistocles - June 03 2025 at 11:51

Sean Trane wrote: Yessss, it seemed the public was really "out there", ready to experiment and follow the counter-culture, which seemed quite un-commercial, but sold massively, precisely because the mainstream public was following suit.

Fine I wasn't there, but I don't feel like seeing this from a cynical angle. Artists had bigger artistic freedom, musicians I admire could actually make a living just from making music (some, not all of course) and people were more openminded. Sure sounds good to me. I wish reality was closer to something like that for todays musicians. Don't we all?

Saperlipopette! wrote: Sean Trane wrote: Yessss, it seemed the public was really "out there", ready to experiment and follow the counter-culture, which seemed quite un-commercial, but sold massively, precisely because the mainstream public was following suit. Fine I wasn't there, but I don't feel like seeing this from a cynical angle. Artists had bigger artistic freedom, musicians I admire could actually make a living just from making music (some, not all of course) and people were more openminded. Sure sounds good to me. I wish reality was closer to something like that for todays musicians. Don't we all?

I could hope so.

Edited by David_D - June 03 2025 at 16:45

Atavachron wrote: ^ At the time it seemed like it would last forever.   Who'd've thought people would abandon rock and go back to dance & pop music.

It’s about control and what’s forced on the average listener

Saperlipopette! wrote: Sean Trane wrote: Yessss, it seemed the public was really "out there", ready to experiment and follow the counter-culture, which seemed quite un-commercial, but sold massively, precisely because the mainstream public was following suit. Fine I wasn't there, but I don't feel like seeing this from a cynical angle. Artists had bigger artistic freedom, musicians I admire could actually make a living just from making music (some, not all of course) and people were more openminded. Sure sounds good to me. I wish reality was closer to something like that for todays musicians. Don't we all?

Absofùckinglutely

David_D wrote: Sean Trane wrote: Surely there must be a certain trace of nerdism stuck in between those layers of muscle I have the impression that the world of today is quite full of nerds, of one or another kind and maybe not least food nerds.

Yess, we're in a modern world where old insults are being branded as "raison d'être"

Queer & nerd were fighting words back then (dorks & geeks as well). Nowadays they're the base of new religions.

BTW, I remember a time when queer did not necessarily mean "homo", but odd or peculiar (anchorman Less Nessman in WKRP in Cincinnati)

Atavachron wrote: ^ At the time it seemed like it would last forever.   Who'd've thought people would abandon rock and go back to dance & pop music.

Well if you were thinking that in 69, it was hardly foreseeable that disco, punk and electro-pop successively would rule by 75 to 79 to 81.

Atavachron wrote: ^ No it's about what new generations like and listen to.   Nothing more, nothing less.   If you're listening to Diddy, that's on you.

not really. when AOR became AOR (album-oriented rock & radio Vs adult-oriented rock & radio) around 75/6, it was the business taking back control of the medium.

Artistes were spending more & more money on increasingly average projects, with vastly diminishing financial returns. So the managers favored cheap projects (like the DIY punk stuff) to maximize profits and used payolas on radios to force-feed (or brainwash, if you prefer) the crowds.
Much easier for radios to make profit by sticking commercial ads between two 3-minutes single, rather than no commercial between album sides. Early 70's radios were a dead business model right from the start.
The fact that these uncommercial radios pioneered the superior-sounding FM band (and also much cheaper to broadcast over the airwaves) gave them freedom and room to exist, but soon enough the commercial AM-type of radios invaded that new hertzian continent.




Edited by Sean Trane - Yesterday at 03:32

Hrychu wrote: BTW, I remember a time when queer did not necessarily mean "homo", I think you're slightly behind times. Nowadays, the term queer refers to transgender and non-binary people just as often.

Spaz, you may insukt of boomer, but I'm definitely aware of what goes around, even if I don't like much of it.

my point is that back then queer either meant odd/strange or homo.

I didn't make claims for today's meaning, though I'm even aware of queerism (which most queers aren't yet).

Edited by Sean Trane - 23 hours 24 minutes ago at 07:01

Hrychu wrote: Sean Trane wrote: Spaz, my point is that back then queer either meant odd/strange or homo. That's a valid point. Language keeps evolving. ;) Also, don't call me Spaz, ok? Call me Czyszy.

Earlier in this thread, you claimed you were a nerd, so I made you the king of nerds


And you're still unhappy??

What ingratitude !!!!



Edited by Sean Trane - 23 hours 20 minutes ago at 07:05

Hrychu wrote: Sean Trane wrote: Earlier in this thread, you claimed you were a nerd, so I made you the king of nerds And you're still unhappy?? What ingratitude !!!! Yes. But it doesn't take a Sherlock Holmes to figure out that you did this as a form of passive aggressive mockery. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

you've not been the kindest of members (let's stay polite, here), making fun of others in your signature.

you reap what you sow.

He who blows the wind creates storms.