U.S. Jazz Fusion: 1976

Saperlipopette! wrote: ^That's fair enough. I mainly thought it was weird with the "Jean-Luc Ponty French? Tjah?"-part. That's like asking if Lars Ulrich is actually Danish.

The ethnical question is tricky. In Denmark and if to be politically correct, people are considered to be Danes when they live in Denmark, even they may be called "new Danes" if they had come from another country.

David_D wrote: Saperlipopette! wrote: ^That's fair enough. I mainly thought it was weird with the "Jean-Luc Ponty French? Tjah?"-part. That's like asking if Lars Ulrich is actually Danish. The ethnical question is tricky. In Denmark and if to be politically correct, people are considered to be Danes when they live in Denmark, even they may be called "new Danes" if they had come from another country.

Tricky for you maybe. I don't care. If I moved to Ethiopia tomorrow, I would still not think of myself as an Ethiopian. But if an Ethiopian moved to Denmark and insisted on being Danish - well, that's fine by me. I have no interst in being difficult for no important reason. I just don't think that way personallly.

Psychedelic Paul wrote: ^ I can promise there'll be no Danes in the next U.S. Jazz Fusion poll for 1977, but there may be the belated inclusion of a Frenchman - and maybe even a Czech.

Didier or we riot.

Steely Dan - The Royal Scam

Saperlipopette! wrote: If I moved to Ethiopia tomorrow, I would still not think of myself as an Ethiopian.

But you might think differently after living there 50 years.

David_D wrote: About Romantic Warrior, it definitely portended new times in the Jazz-Rock genre.

Better to say heralded. There's nothing good about a portent.

Saperlipopette! wrote: verslibre wrote: David_D wrote: About Romantic Warrior, it definitely portended new times in the Jazz-Rock genre. Better to say heralded. There's nothing good about a portent. That's why I feel portened is more correct. I think Jazz-Rock largely became awful in the late 1970's and the 1980's.

exactly

I'd like also to tell that I consider Jazz-Rock and Jazz Fusion to be two distinctive genres, and the latter one may seem to me to be in better shape in the '80s, and that not least thanks to influences from non-Western traditional music.






Edited by David_D - 6 hours 32 minutes ago at 05:14

Although I do prefer his earlier albums (1973's Realization is a masterpiece), I'm going with Eddie Henderson's Heritage.

Is there a non-US jazz fusion topic, can't recall? A few of my faves there from 1976 would be Hermann Szobel's Szobel, Eberhard Weber's Yellow Fields and Zao's Kawana.

Just as an aside since it is tangential to some discussion, some jazz-fusion that I have appreciated form the late 70s and 80s and not focusing on the US alone like with earlier posts despite this topic being about US jazz fusion (like 1978 up and not refuting or confirming general awfulness): Rahmann is superb. I love Codona. Alain Eckert Quartet is excellent. Eberhard Weber Colours's Silent Feet is really liked by me. And I like Area's 1978 gli dei se ne vanno, gli arrabbiati restano!. 80s groups like The Lounge Lizards were making music I like in the 80 (I like Voice of Chunk). I think there's quite a bit of Zeuhl jazz fusion that is very good in the late 70s and 80s. I don't mind the smooth jazz sound and enjoy various Japanese music of the time. And of course one of the great modern jazz bands is from Australia and got started in the 80s, The Necks.

With one of the greats of jazz, Sun Ra, I think he was making/involved with some still excellent music in the late 70s into the 1980s like with Languidity and other music.

Looking through my favourites involved in jazz fusion that got started before the, say, mid 70s, I do notice that there more exciting to me albums tend to be behind them. With some US names like Weather Report, I like the first two albums the most. I like earlier Hancock, Henderson etc. Norman Connors and Bob James were more satisfying to me pre-1976. As always, to each their own tastes and interests, and it';s fine to have different opinions usually (like on art) as long as we are not rude to each other or attacking each other due to such differences. Vive la difference.


Edited by Logan - 5 hours 4 minutes ago at 06:42

^ I've never stated it out of the blue, but as part of some relevant discussion or context. I don't know why you feel personally insulted. Wasn't it you that mentioned that we could all learn a thing or two from Psychedelic John's response to anything negative? Well, how's that going for you? No one but you seem to have a problem with disagrements in regards to an album and its musical content. It's not rude to state that you do not enjoy an album (and name your reasons). It's kind of normal.