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tuxon
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 20:43 |
Useful_Idiot wrote:
Well, I've given my review of Ok Computer for you all to enjoy... |
great review
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Reed Lover
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 20:46 |
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Petra
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 20:48 |
hdfisch wrote:
tuxon wrote:
Good news for Certif1ed, Radiohead has been added to the site, making them Officialy Prog.
Congratulations to all. And many thanks to Certif1ed who made such a great case for them
Though feelings on Radiohead seemed to be inconclusive and appeared to lead to a stalemate - indesisive draw. Radiohead pulled it of to become one of the memorable additions to this site.
no official response from Radiohead itself is made so far, but rumour goes they've got the corks off of the Bubblies.
Knowing they'll be heading for obscurity we hearbye appologies to all not-prog fans of Radiohead, for dragging them into the realm of prog, from which there is no escape.
A final quote from Radiohead frontman Thom York
"They're all uptight, uptight, uptight, uptight, uptight, uptight."
| I really don't support the idea to "make" RADIOHEAD a prog band because it IS just not one.So now there is a genre called "Psychedelic Alternative Rock" and they are listed as this plus PROGRESSIVE ROCK.So what?They are both or is it the same?Who will be the next: Oasis?Pulp?Muse?Franz Ferdinand?Robbie Williams?Maybe Britney,someone could try to discover some PROG elements in her music (or in her behavior). I don't say that RADIOHEAD is doing bad music, they are for sure much much better than all the artists I mentioned but in their genre and this is ALTERNATIVE ROCK!!!Nothing against this kind of music, I listened to it as well 5-10 years ago until I realized there are also bands existing in the 90s,not only in the 70s making good PROG.It's just because this kind of music is much more popular than PROG and less complex, easy to listen,not necessarily bad for these reasons but really f******* irrelevant to someone who is seriously interested in demanding and "pretentious" music. Sorry to say but IMHO the addition of Radiohead marks somehow the beginning of the end for the PROGARCHIVES.The site will end up in a general forum for ROCK MUSIC and will not deserve its name anymore in future and for me personally it will be not so much relevant and interesting anymore as it used to be. |
Wow! I have to admit i'm surprised they got in but I wonder if you have really listened to Radiohead? How can you say that Kid A or Amnesiac is just ROCK! Radiohead is not easy listening in fact they are constantly accused of being pretentious! They push the boundries of electronica and rock combined,they are pasionate and complex,listen to Idioteque and Treefingers from Kid A and say that isnt innotive, every one of their albums are creative and intricate and their lyrics are meaningful set on a theme and evocative...bah i just love them! So maybe i'm biased ..
Ive been listening to Cluster all night ...hmmmm they really should get in too, DB maybe right...
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Reed Lover
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 20:52 |
Not only do you like Radiohead, but you keep mentioning the Texan t**ser!
You got a thing for Dallas Cowboys?
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Petra
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 20:59 |
Reed Lover wrote:
Not only do you like Radiohead, but you keep mentioning the Texan t**ser!
You got a thing for Dallas Cowboys?
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I think he is quite amusing and he has a love of German bands, but saying that I have to read his posts about 4 times before I understand what he means, and even then i'm not entirely sure...
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tuxon
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 21:00 |
Texan Words of Wisdom The Cowboys' Practical Philosophy
There are three kinds of men -- The ones that learns by readin', the few who learns by observation, and the rest of 'em just have to piss on the electric fence for themselves..
When you give a lesson in meanness to a person or critter, don't be surprised if they learn the lesson.
You can't make someone love you. All you can do is stalk 'em and hope they panic and give in.
If you find yerself in a hole, the first thing to do is quit diggin'
What ever they told you -- you are naked if you're wearin' nothin' but a hat.
Never miss a good chance to shut up
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Reed Lover
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 21:02 |
This is the picture of himself that he posted in the Rogues gallery Thread:
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Reed Lover
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 21:03 |
Texan Limo
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Petra
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 21:05 |
Haha ..what are you both doing up at 2am anyway??
Can't sleep?
Drooling over the Texan too eh?
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tuxon
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 21:07 |
I think he's got a way with words.
At least he got away with them for the time being
BTW I don't drool, I salivate
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Petra
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 21:12 |
Heh! Well in the words of Radiohead i'm gonna EXIT
You can laugh A spineless laugh We hope that your rules and wisdom choke you Now we are one In everlasting peace
We hope that you choke.. that you choke We hope that you choke.. that you choke We hope that you choke.. that you choke
G'night
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threefates
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 21:34 |
Reed drools over all the boys here... Gdub has worn off on him....
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THIS IS ELP
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Garion81
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 22:51 |
tuxon wrote:
Texan Words of Wisdom The Cowboys' Practical Philosophy
There are three kinds of men -- The ones that learns by readin', the few who learns by observation, and the rest of 'em just have to piss on the electric fence for themselves..
When you give a lesson in meanness to a person or critter, don't be surprised if they learn the lesson.
You can't make someone love you. All you can do is stalk 'em and hope they panic and give in.
If you find yerself in a hole, the first thing to do is quit diggin'
What ever they told you -- you are naked if you're wearin' nothin' but a hat.
Never miss a good chance to shut up
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Don't forget to listen to both kinds of music country and western!
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Matt0001
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Posted: January 15 2005 at 23:52 |
If you see the lineage of prog as a straight line from, say, Yes to
Rush to Dream Theater, then, yes, Radiohead are not very prog. But
there is an easy to see line of influence from bands like Can and Faust
and even Pink Floyd to Radiohead. Radiohead are not about
extented suites and solos, but they are definitely about creating
texture and mood. They are by far one of the most musically intriguing
bands of recent years. I don't see this as a slippery slope to calling
any remotely talented band prog, but rather an acknowledgement that
progressive music is more than just athletic guitar solos.
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gdub411
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Posted: January 16 2005 at 00:07 |
Chill on the DB bashing guys.
Radiohead should NOT be here in the Archives.
This site is losing its ingetrity by the day.
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Sweetnighter
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Posted: January 16 2005 at 00:48 |
an interesting development indeed!!
i love how their only quasi- in the archives. the ** is cute! I have to
hand it to the mods, that was inventive. That way the pro-radiohead
people can go "yay yay their prog!" yet any newcomers to prog won't
find them in the archives, not easily anyway. Nice compromise! I'm sure
it'll fail and lead to civil war. Anybody here know american history?
Cute too how only OK Computer is there as a prog album. What about
Genesis' 80s material, or the first Rush album? Prog? Certainly not,
yet Radiohead has every other album aside from OK omitted. Maybe the
others albums just haven't been put in yet and i'm jumping the gun.
I'm not trying to bash anybody, don't get me wrong, I just think the
whole thing is a little silly now. I guess I cared when I made the poll
a while back, but now it really doesn't matter. I feel we spend way too
much time on this forum trying to classify the music rather than
discuss it, which is sort of unfortunate I think. Okay, I'm sure
somebody will call me a hypocrite, since really I am being hypocritical
in this particular instance, but now that I've actually seen some
change as a result of all the discussion about it, it just doesn't seem
to matter as much.
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BebieM
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Posted: January 16 2005 at 03:43 |
Is it put between ** because people are still working on adding all the albums and putting it all together, or is it gonna stay like that??
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Radioactive Toy
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Posted: January 16 2005 at 05:27 |
I'm quite curious what our "that's not prog" nihilist philippe has to say about this
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Certif1ed
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Posted: January 16 2005 at 06:47 |
gdub411 wrote:
Radiohead should NOT be here in the Archives.
This site is losing its ingetrity by the day.
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Utter nonsense.
If the Admins decide Radiohead are in, then they SHOULD be in.
This site has GAINED integrity by recognising that prog rock is not anything and everything that sounds like Yes, Genesis or King Crimson.
Bands that simply raid the back catalogue are simply NOT progressive - they are regressive; isn't that obvious? Plus ca change,
Bands that simply are made up of people that used to be in prog bands don't necessarily play prog music - agreed?
But bands that use REAL musicianship to push then envelope of music into interesting and new directions, ignore traditional song structures, chord progressions and lyrical content should at least be given a chance.
The Pink Floyd comparison is fair. There are similarities between OK Computer and DSOTM in non-obvious as well as obvious areas - but there are intelligent people on this site, so I'll let you work it out.
To say that OK Computer is "Indie" is rubbish; The term "Indie" means that the music is released on an independent label. Parlophone is NOT independent, TTBOMK. Otherwise the Beatles were Indie...
And to say that the style of music is "Indie" or "Alternative" (I know what the terms are commonly used to mean...) is not to have listened properly or given the music enough time to sink in. Like the best prog albums, OK Computer can take a while for the hidden agendas to sink in. One of the biggest problems it faces is that so many tracks have been released as singles by a record company hungry for profits, and it has sold huge numbers due to its accessibility.
These are not crimes, and the music is good and progressive.
There are other bands FAR less deserving in the archives, so for God's sake, give Radiohead a break - they probably don't want to be among proggers any more than some of you want them here. But the truth is that their music is among many styles that constitues modern day prog.
I find it VERY hard to accept Dream Theater as prog, when all they seem to do is recycle Metallica, Yes and Joe Satriani material. Their music is more metal than prog. GET THEM OUT!!!
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gdub411
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Posted: January 16 2005 at 08:19 |
Tell me why Radiohead is here:
A) Because their music is rather simplified altrernative with a little synth to give it atmosphere
B)amateurish, simple, redundant lyrics
C) They're English so why not.
Edited by gdub411
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