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    Posted: June 30 2005 at 01:19

I know there must be other gamers out there, and I realize many of them are probably indifferent to the Final Fantasy brand.  It's just that Nobuo Uematsu's music was my first exposure to progressive rock, and I expect it's a similar story for other gamers.  He himself names ELP as one of his influences.  Here are some of his compositions that have a strong resemblance to prog (they are much more dramatic and fun to listen to when playing through the games, of course, but I think they have enough substance to stand on their own feet):

"Dancing Mad".  The final battle music from Final Fantasy VI.  It has three movements, like a typical symphonic prog epic, the third being the most notably prog-ish.  For those of you who haven't played the game, the imagery during the final battle is stunningly gothic and really gels with the music.

"Still More Fighting".  The oddly titled battle theme from Final Fantasy VII.  A really good listen, especially with the nostalgia factor.  Uematsu's band, the Black Mages, did an awesome blues/hard-rock cover of this piece.

"Decisive Battle".  Final Fantasy V.  Very representative of Uematsu's earlier battle theme style.

"Hunters Chance".  Final Fantasy IX.  The synth and piano combination in this song is strongly reminiscent of ELP's Trilogy.  Incidentally one of the only good tracks from the game.

I hope I'm not suffering from some strange form of apophenia, because these all sound like prog to me.  I likes me my video game music all the same.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 01:22
The composer actually put together a prog-metal band for two albums, to do covers of these tracks...  he played keyboards on 'em...  look for releases by "The Black Mages".

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edit:  wow, I'm tired, didn't notice your mention of the Black Mages in the post...  sowwy.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 01:59

Originally posted by Id Id wrote:

It's just that Nobuo Uematsu's music was my first exposure to progressive rock, and I expect it's a similar story for other gamers.  He himself names ELP as one of his influences.

You MUST delve into the works of one Motoi Sakuraba. He's equal parts prog-rock keyboardist (the "Japanese Wakeman") and anime & game soundtrack composer. His 80s band Deja Vu released one CD, Baroque Of The Future  before they split up and he recorded his solo debut called Gikyo Kuonsou (an excellent keyboards-bass-drums instrumental album). From then on, he's done many, many soundtracks, and damn me if the majority of them don't double as symphonic prog, with flesh-and-blood rhythm sections. Among the best ones are Force Of Light, Beyond The Beyond, Valkyrie Profile  (one of my favorites) and the many albums in the Star Ocean series of games and films. Start with Valkyrie Profile or Star Ocean: The Second Story 'Arrange Album'. Star Ocean: Blue Sphere  is another winner. 

In the last couple of years, Motoi's staged several live performances with a drummer and Gerard's bassist. The trio blasts through a set of Star Ocean and Valkyrie Profile pieces rearranged for trio (there's also a DVD ; Motoi pulls a total Wakeman and surrounds himself with the a gigantic keyboard rig).

http://www.cocoebiz.com/sakuraba/interviews/

http://www.ms-motion.com/

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 10:31

The music on FFVII reminds me a lot of Camel's "The Snow Goose" at times. Especially the title track.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 11:39
Originally posted by dropForge dropForge wrote:

You MUST delve into the works of one Motoi Sakuraba.





Originally posted by dropForge dropForge wrote:

He's equal parts prog-rock keyboardist (the "Japanese Wakeman") and anime & game soundtrack composer. His 80s band Deja Vu released one CD, Baroque Of The Future  before they split up and he recorded his solo debut called Gikyo Kuonsou (an excellent keyboards-bass-drums instrumental album).





Originally posted by dropForge dropForge wrote:

From then on, he's done many, many soundtracks, and damn me if the majority of them don't double as symphonic prog, with flesh-and-blood rhythm sections. Among the best ones are Force Of Light, Beyond The Beyond, Valkyrie Profile  (one of my favorites) and the many albums in the Star Ocean series of games and films. Start with Valkyrie Profile or Star Ocean: The Second Story 'Arrange Album'. Star Ocean: Blue Sphere  is another winner.




Valkyrie Profile is also my favorite. And Star Ocean Arrange is almost as good. I also have Gikyokuonsou.


Originally posted by dropForge dropForge wrote:

In the last couple of years, Motoi's staged several live performances with a drummer and Gerard's bassist. The trio blasts through a set of Star Ocean and Valkyrie Profile pieces rearranged for trio (there's also a DVD ; Motoi pulls a total Wakeman and surrounds himself with the a gigantic keyboard rig).


Motoi Sakura used to do lots of free lance work for Enix. Now that Enix is Square-Enix, I think it is possible for them to do a Final Fantasy with Motoi Sakuraba as the main composer. One can only hope...

Another FF track that is very ELP-esque is a certain FFV track that plays when you go to the montain of the dragons...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 11:42
The keyboard player in my band is a big fan of that guy and is always downloading Final Fantasy songs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 11:46
The Final Fantasy games, along with the music, is absolutely pure gold. Uematsu is a genius at composing and setting the mood for the game. Check out the Chrono Trigger OST as well with his collaboration along with the rest of the 'Dream Team'.

On the topic of Japan, the Castlevania games have AMAZING music. In particular CVA III and Symphony of the Night are equally fantastic and sound truly symphonic, especially III, in spite of the limitations of the NES sound synthesizer.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 11:50
Yeah...  the Japanese release of Castlevania III actually had a custom soundchip on board the cartridge to get better music.  

The GBA titles have great music for the most part...  Symphony Of The Night was brilliant as well.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 12:10
Yes, infamous Konami soundchip (VRC6) was an amazing piece of work especially on the track 'Clockwork'. Good on the NES version, masterful on the Famicom.

I was lucky enough to find the soundtracks to most of the games, I-IV, Bloodlines, and Circle of Blood. Good luck finding most of them now! Truly some great talent comes out of Japan especially for writing compositions of western influences considering how isolated they seem to be from other cultures.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 12:30
Apocalyptica and Rammstein have both contributed music to different final fantasy games.

Another incredible and proggy soundtrack is Silent Hill 2, 3 and 4. All incredible soundtrack albums as they run as one big song.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 12:38
...they contributed music to Final Fantasy games?  Are you *sure*?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 12:50
Talking about Konami, what do you think of their hard rock albums from the Kukeha Club? I have some of them: Konami Battle the Best, Dracula Battle 1 and 2 and Shooting Battle. They all rock.

Dracula (or Castlevania music) is excellent too. My favorite will always be "Dracula X - Nocture in the Moonlight" ("Castlevania: Symphony of the Night") for the Playstation. Well, the music is cd quality, so can't compare with NES sound quality, but I happen to like 8bit video game music a lot too. My second pick has to be "Dracula Rondo of Blood" ("Castlevania: Circle of Blood") for the PC-Engine CD (Turbografix), which is prequel of that very same game from Playstation. But most of the dracula series is superb.

What about shooting games? There are lot of space games from Konami with progressive influence. The Gradius series and, my favorite, Salamander II have the best music from this genre.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 12:59
My favorite Castlevania song is the Night theme from Castlevania II for NES...  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 12:59
silent hill and metal gear solid are both konami masterpieces with excellent soundtracks.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 13:15
I'm a huge fan of Nobuo Uematsu and the Final Fantasy series aswell. One of the most proggy moments he has is in my opinion the Opening Theme from FFVI and Dark Messenger from FFIX.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 14:43
Fractal, I was not a big fan at all of the hard rock stuff. I like my music to be in its purest form and not some bastardized version trying to be cool. I did admire the effort, but I'm much happier with the real OSTs. 

Castlevania III and Symphony in the Night are my tops but for different reasons. Obviously, as you said, you can't compare a 7 channel synth (VRC6 added more) to orchestrated grandeur.

Being a shmup fan as well I can agree on Gradius having some really good music, though I think the Star Soldier Series, particularly Super Star Soldier on the PC Engine, having some of the best for a shooter I have ever heard. I know its not Konami, but still some really good stuff.

Still, Nobuo Uematsu can be considered the John Williams of video games. His work is, without a doubt, a large reason to bringing game music into more of a true art form than it was so long ago. He managed to do everything from simple synth work, to orchestrated compositions, and he did them better than most everyone else. This can truly show how music, whether it is from a different culture, different country, and different people, can transcend all barriers. Hats off.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 15:36
Originally posted by Lyzarrd Lyzarrd wrote:

Being a shmup fan as well I can agree on Gradius having some really good music, though I think the Star Soldier Series, particularly Super Star Soldier on the PC Engine, having some of the best for a shooter I have ever heard. I know its not Konami, but still some really good stuff.



Yes, I forgot about Super Star Soldier (which I still have the hu-card somewhere). It is the probably the best shmup for PC-Engine and has some fantastic tunes and the classic "power up" music from Star Soldier (MSX). I also remember quite well the music from the time mode of the game being very good too.

Gradius series have more games to choose, so it is easier to remember and some are real classics in the video game scene (Gradius I,II,III). But I would certainly have to include honorable mentions like Rez (it is not exactly a shmup, but I like the concept a lot), Ikaruga, Thunder Force series, R-Type series (specially R-Type III for SNES), Darius, Aleste (Musha), etc.

Originally posted by Lyzarrd Lyzarrd wrote:

Still, Nobuo Uematsu can be considered the John Williams of video games. His work is, without a doubt, a large reason to bringing game music into more of a true art form than it was so long ago. He managed to do everything from simple synth work, to orchestrated compositions, and he did them better than most everyone else. This can truly show how music, whether it is from a different culture, different country, and different people, can transcend all barriers. Hats off.


I like mostly early stuff from Nobuo Uematsu, specially from FF4 to FF7 (but the opening and some battle themes from FF8 were great). I think he is an incredibly versatile musician and very capable of doing impressive things with the little power those console systems offered him (it is actually his strongest quality). But when console power stopped being a problem, I think he lost some of the inspiration that he had earlier IMO.

I also like a lot Yasunori Mitsuda, specially Xenogears and Chrono Trigger/Cross.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2005 at 23:51
A whole lot of the older snes and genesis games have extremely progged out musik...i love the fact their is a forum about video games..its so very prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2005 at 23:53
oh yea and if anyone ever played the pokemon games on gameboys...man if that music isnt prog i dont no wat is. tis good shat.
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