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Cluster One
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 03 2005 Status: Offline Points: 780 |
Posted: February 17 2005 at 11:37 | ||
I'd be one of those people. (/steps on soapbox) I rate The Division Bell easily as one of the Floyd's top 3 albums. It takes a LOT of effort to 'get over' the absence of Roger Waters on it, his lyrical ability is obviously missed here. But when this is finally accomplished you will find that this album is the most 'Floydian' since WYWH, and is moving musically. Roger's heavy bootprint weighed so large on everything Animals (still my favourite Floyd album) and after that Rick Wright's sound was completely absent, and even Dave's input became trivialized. Won't comment on AMLOR here now though. The Div Bell saw Rick Wright not only writing Floyd music again, but also writing lyrics AND singing, something he hadn't done with Floyd since DSOTM! Ask any hardcore Floyd fan and they will tell you just how important Rick Wright's voice and keyboard 'sound' is to the music of Floyd. (SOYCD, Us & Them, Great Gig, Echoes, Time, etc) The Div Bell meant that Floyd was a true band again, making music TOGETHER just like ol' times. And there was much rejoicing... Edited by Cluster One |
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Marmalade...I like marmalade.
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Rob The Plant
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 15 2004 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 819 |
Posted: February 17 2005 at 11:40 | ||
I love Rick Wright's voice! VEry moody, sort of like a goofy Roger Waters.
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Cinema
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 25 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 487 |
Posted: February 17 2005 at 13:29 | ||
Yep, Porcupine Tree was originally just Steve Wilson. And frankly, even with the great musicians now in the band, if Wilson ever leaves PT, it will cease to exist. |
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Man Overboard
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 07 2004 Location: Austin, TX Status: Offline Points: 3830 |
Posted: February 17 2005 at 21:04 | ||
OMG U GUYS GENESIS WITHOUT BILL BRUFORD AND TO A CERTAIN DEGREE TONY BANKS stalk stalk stalk Kansas without Steve Walsh was pathetic. Kansas actually fared better than I expected without Kerry Livgren (The two that had Livgren but not Walsh were terrible, but the output with Walsh but not Livgren was underrated, even though I consider Livgren the better songwriter). Though... Livgren, on his own, in a different situation (Proto-Kaw, solo work) was outstanding, so it might've just been Vinyl Confessions and Drastic Measures. As for bands that are still together... we'd have no Flower Kings without Roine Stolt, and no Dream Theater without Mike Portnoy... I daresay we could lose ANY of the other guys, even Petrucci, Myung, or LaBrie, and still have DT, but without Portnoy it just wouldn't happen. King Crimson without Robert Fripp... also another no-go. Edited by Man Overboard |
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Guillermo
Prog Reviewer Joined: November 28 2004 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 814 |
Posted: February 17 2005 at 21:13 | ||
For me, "one man bands" are the "bands" which aren`t really bands, because the rest of the musicians are almost the employees of the leader. It is really a soloist working under a band`s name, IMO. Examples: Jethro Tull; Crash Test Dummies; The Cure; Oasis;Van der Graaf Generator;The Kinks; etc. The Doors didn`t split very soon after Jim Morrison died. They recorded two albums as a trio (with some extra musicians): "Other Voices" (1971) and "Full Circle" (1972). Their label (Elektra Records) had some confidence in them as musicians, so Elektra signed them again after Morrison died (because their contract with Elektra was finished with their last album with Morrison, "L.A. Woman", also released in 1971). They were rehearsing without Morrison, when he went to Paris. When he died there, they had doubts to carry on, but the confidence of Elektra gave them confidence in themselves. They thought a bit about changing the name of the band, but they didn`t change it. They toured with exta musicians for those two albums, which are good albums, IMO, as the trio were themselves very good musicians. But sales of those albums were not as good as before. Krieger and Manzarek sang, doing a decent job. After their last tour, in late 1972, they went to England to look for a new lead singer. But Manzarek left Krieger and Densmore, and The Doors split then. Krieger and Densmore carried on playing together with a new band called "The Butts Band" which recorded two albums and split in 1975."Other Voices" and "Full Circle" are out of print since a long time ago. I saw in the Internet that they were relased on CD in Russia, but this release (both albums in one CD) is not legal, I think. Some years ago, in the late 90s, The Doors appeared in a "Storytellers" TV programme with various singers, including Ian Atsbury. After that, Krieger and Manzarek wanted to continue with Atsbury on vocals. But Densmore left them, and sued them because he didn`t want them to use "The Doors" name. So, Manzarek and Krieger continued touring with Atsbury, Stewart Copeland on drums (for a short time; he was later replaced by another drummer) and a bassist, as "The Doors of the 21st Century". It seems that they also wanted to record new songs. |
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Prog_Bassist
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Posted: February 17 2005 at 21:14 | ||
If rush lost any member, they would just cease to be.
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John Gargo
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Posted: February 17 2005 at 22:08 | ||
Guillermo... I've been very interested in those two post-Morrison Doors albums for quite some time. You mention that they're good albums. Could you perhaps describe to me some more what the albums SOUND like? I ask this since The Doors went through some obvious major changes from their debut to LA Woman... Are these albums more in the blues-rock tradition of their last two studio albums, or does it harken back to their more psychedelic/loungy earlier material? |
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sigod
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Posted: February 18 2005 at 07:16 | ||
ooh, dems fightin' words guv.... |
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mirco
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Posted: February 18 2005 at 07:57 | ||
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Please forgive me for my crappy english!
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Guillermo
Prog Reviewer Joined: November 28 2004 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 814 |
Posted: February 19 2005 at 11:18 | ||
John: The sound of The Doors in these albums is more oriented to jazz-rock improvisation in some songs plus some Pop Rock influences and even some Latin Music influences. If you have listened to the music of the "An American Prayer" album (released in 1978), an album with music by Manzarek, Densmore and Krieger to Morrison`s poetry (which he recorded in late 1970 alone, the rest of The Doors added music to this poetry in 1978), the style of the music is similar to the style of "Other Voices" and "Full Circle". But I prefer more those 1971 and 1972 albums than "An American Prayer". If you want to listen to "Other Voices" and "Full Circle" , you can buy them in www.ebay.com . I have seen them (including that Russian CD) several times in that website. They are not expensive. I can`t believe that those albums are not mentioned in The Doors`official website. But at least they are included in Robbie Krieger`s official website. Edited by Guillermo |
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Guillermo
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Posted: February 19 2005 at 11:31 | ||
Mirco: Sometimes I tend to be more against the opinions of some of the musical critics. It seems that sometimes when they speak badly of some album, I like the album, or when they praise a lot one album, I don`t agree with them. For example, some critics say that "The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" is Genesis` best album. For me, it`s not the best, I prefer "A Trick of the Tail" and others. Other critics say that without Roger Waters Pink Floyd was over. But I prefer "The Divsion Bell" much more than "The Wall". In the case of The Doors and other bands (like Genesis), I prefer to have an open mind to listen to their albums without their very praised lead singers. Both lead singers were very important for both bands, but the sound of the bands as a whole was done by every member of the band, not only by their singers. If you have listened to a Doors`compilation album called "13" (not released on CD), you can see in the back cover of that L.P. that the songs have individual songwriting credits and that Morrison didn`t compose all the songs by himself. For example, "Light My Fire" was composed by Krieger. Maybe some bands don`t sound the same without some members, but if they have talent, they can compose good music too. Edited by Guillermo |
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Lunarscape
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Posted: February 20 2005 at 09:59 | ||
Ten Years After - Definitly Alvin Lee's band ! _________ Lunar |
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Velvetclown
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Posted: February 20 2005 at 10:23 | ||
Jethro Tull
Dixie Dregs Genesis Spock´s Beard Marillion Van Der Graaf Generator IQ ELP King Crimson Etc............................. Edited by Velvetclown |
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Dali Lama
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Posted: February 20 2005 at 16:03 | ||
Umm...countless black metal bands. because there are soooo many actual one man black metal bands, wow...
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Manunkind
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Posted: February 20 2005 at 17:10 | ||
Twelfth Night - no Geoff Mann, no Twelfth Night Yes without Jon Anderson or Steve Howe Naked City, Massada and Painkiller without John Zorn Camel without Andy Latimer Pendragon without Nick Barrett Type O'Negative without Peter Steele Metallica without Cliff Burton. It's been a downward spiral since "Master...". Any of the others can be replaced, yes, even Hetfield, the singers from Threshold, Evereve or The Quiet Room being potential candidates. |
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"In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun
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Guillermo
Prog Reviewer Joined: November 28 2004 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 814 |
Posted: February 21 2005 at 12:39 | ||
Hello, Lunar: I was surprised toread that in the last 3 or four years there was/is a TEN YEARS AFTER line-up on tour without Alvin Lee! The rest of the band members replaced him with another guitarist/singer.I found this news in some websites dedicated to TEN YEARS AFTER. Other examples: CREEDENCE CLEARWATER REVISITED (without main songwriter John Fogerty), GRAND FUNK RAILROAD (without main songwriter Mark Farner). Edited by Guillermo |
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Dick Heath
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Posted: February 22 2005 at 05:23 | ||
Take a listen to Peter Banks guitarwork on the first two Yes albums (very few effects pedals in those days!) and then the first two studio and the live Flash albums, and the guitarist has his moments! |
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Manunkind
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Posted: February 22 2005 at 06:22 | ||
I heard one of the Flash albums you mentioned, and Peter Banks is without a doubt a fine guitarist. Nonetheless, if he replaced Howe, Yes wouldn't be Yes anymore, although they would probably still produce good music... |
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"In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun
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Guillermo
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Posted: February 22 2005 at 19:12 | ||
I agree. Peter Banks is a very good musician. His work, particularly in YES`first album, is great. In "Time and a Word" his guitar is also good, but the mixing and the use of an orchestra made difficult to listen to his guitars. I also like the first album of "Flash". He sounds very creative there. |
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Dan Bobrowski
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Posted: February 22 2005 at 20:14 | ||
Dolly Parton without her backup duo would still be just another country singer. |
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