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    Posted: January 12 2006 at 21:05

The three major prog-metal bands are considered to be (at least in Greece)

and as far as my humble knowledge of prog-metal is concerned:

Queensryche

Fates Warning

Dream Theater

all of them IMO are the greatest influences for new prog-metal bands.

Do you think there has been a drop in the quality of their recent recordings?

I would say yes. Queensryche have stopped producing good music in 1994, Fates Warning dissapointed me with their last two albums after the excellent Apsog and Dream Theater are not up to their standards after Metropolis pt.2 with the exception of some very good moments in Train of thought. Well, that's my point of view...
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I have some problems declaring Queensryche one of the great prog-metal bands, if only because they've got one album that I would seriously consider prog.  I actually consider Octavarium the least awful recording I've heard from DT thus far (), and can't say anything about newer Fates Warning as I haven't heard their recent recordings.

That said, prog-metal fans need to look beyond the genre's "major" bands.
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It's ok, we have Symphony X and Planet X now. 
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and king's x and brand x and...yeah sorry
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I don't think that Fates Warning is declining. FWX is maybe inferior to A Pleasant Shade of Gray but it's still a verx good album. Better than the last 2 albums by Dream Theater who seem to be ran out

of ideas. They have only some great moments on TOT and Octavarium and a lot of the material has been already released by them(or by someone else...).
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Queennsryche is not really my cup of tea and  neither is Opeth, altough I like some songs by both bands. My favourite active prog. metal band is Pain of Salvation.
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Originally posted by Rising Force Rising Force wrote:

It's ok, we have Symphony X and Planet X now. 


Planet X makes Dream Theater sound like blink 182



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Originally posted by Hierophant Hierophant wrote:

Originally posted by Rising Force Rising Force wrote:

It's ok, we have Symphony X and Planet X now. 


Planet X makes Dream Theater sound like blink 182





Damn straight.
 
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Dream theater is better than ever!

I mean just look at the first releases...images and words and awake and falling into infinity...those where fairly eh bad...but finally they seemed to have turned on Scenes from a memory album and making cool music which just shows from albums like Octavarium, Sdoit and tot!

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I think Octavarium is one of Dream Theater's best ever albums. I would call it a return to form.


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Not  familiar with Fates Warning, but the little Queensryche I've heard  is neither good nor prog.

Don't worry about DT though, if they do another album, it'll  certainly be an improvement - you can't possiby make anything worse than Octavarium.
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Octavarium is not a bad album, but I think it's really not nearly as creative as any of the previous ones. Production is top, riffs are top, drumming is top ... but for some reason it won't "connect" with me. I noticed the same effect in other top albums of various genres: Aerosmith - Get a Grip, RHCP - One Hot Minute, The Prodigy - Fat of the Land. These albums are all very good, and I love individual songs, but somehow the albums seem over-produced and "forced".

Back to the original topic: Most bands have a creative "peak" that lasts a few years. After that they either disband, change direction completely (= the become another band) or just become mediocre. That happened for example to Queensryche. They were brilliant on Operation: Mindcrime, Empire and Promised Land. But other than dinosaurs, the music of such bands prevails even if the band fades away.
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Originally posted by Bob Greece Bob Greece wrote:

I think Octavarium is one of Dream Theater's best ever albums. I would call it a return to form.

I can not agree with you IMO Octavarium is wrost I ever hear from DT. After two weeks Octavarium gets place on shelf where are albums wich I dont listening.
Some people likes octavarium but I can't uderstand why?
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Originally posted by Pafnutij Pafnutij wrote:

Not  familiar with Fates Warning, but the little Queensryche I've heard  is neither good nor prog.

Don't worry about DT though, if they do another album, it'll  certainly be an improvement - you can't possiby make anything worse than Octavarium.

I think Octavarium is a bit of improvement,because it's better than TOT, but they need to improve more to return to form.
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Originally posted by Nazgul Nazgul wrote:

I can not agree with you IMO Octavarium is wrost I ever hear from DT. After two weeks Octavarium gets place on shelf where are albums wich I dont listening.
Some people likes octavarium but I can't uderstand why?

I can't understand why it's disliked so much. It's heavy with great melodies and a lot better than Ghost Reveries IMHO. Opeth are the ones who've lost their way if you ask me .... right, I've opened a can of worms now ....



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Originally posted by Rising Force Rising Force wrote:

It's ok, we have Symphony X and Planet X now. 

I agree with the Symphony X remark, but I 'strangely' don't see why I haven't read even one bad review on Planet X. I've heard Moonbabies, I listed to it only one time and it was already enough. I hate the sound of the keyboard, the guitar solos bores me to death and the keyboard solos are that great either.. I however cannot deny that they are pretty creative.

another good metal band which deserves to be mentioned here is Pain of Salvation.

 

 
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Originally posted by Lindsay Lohan Lindsay Lohan wrote:

Dream theater is better than ever!

I mean just look at the first releases...images and words and awake and falling into infinity...those where fairly eh bad...but finally they seemed to have turned on Scenes from a memory album and making cool music which just shows from albums like Octavarium, Sdoit and tot!

are we talking about the same albums????

images and words and awake......fairly eh bad.....?
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Octavarium is not a bad album, but I think it's really not nearly as creative as any of the previous ones. Production is top, riffs are top, drumming is top ... but for some reason it won't "connect" with me. I noticed the same effect in other top albums of various genres: Aerosmith - Get a Grip, RHCP - One Hot Minute, The Prodigy - Fat of the Land. These albums are all very good, and I love individual songs, but somehow the albums seem over-produced and "forced".

Back to the original topic: Most bands have a creative "peak" that lasts a few years. After that they either disband, change direction completely (= the become another band) or just become mediocre. That happened for example to Queensryche. They were brilliant on Operation: Mindcrime, Empire and Promised Land. But other than dinosaurs, the music of such bands prevails even if the band fades away.

you got my point

I don't say that they have created BAD albums (except from Queensryche-last ones are bad)

but there is a lack of inspiration
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Originally posted by Rising Force Rising Force wrote:

It's ok, we have Symphony X and Planet X now. 

yes, we do have Symphony X, but Planet X....
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Originally posted by Pafnutij Pafnutij wrote:

Not  familiar with Fates Warning, but the little Queensryche I've heard  is neither good nor prog.

Don't worry about DT though, if they do another album, it'll  certainly be an improvement - you can't possiby make anything worse than Octavarium.

you should listen more than this 'little' to get a better overview

as for DT I'm still optimistc that they will improve
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