Trip - Hop what do you think of it?

From a Teenager who's early interests were Prog rock Yes,Pink Floyd & Genesis + Heavy(progressive) rock - Rainbow etc. and also,perhaps NWOBHM(although always prefering the most progressive of these bands).

I have recently explored other forms of music,mainly Adult Alternative & Alternative Rock.My favourite discoveries being - Jeff Buckley,Sarah Mclachlan,Ben Harper,Tori Amos -Adult Alternative

+ Incubus,Radiohead(knew them but hadn't listened to a full album until recently)- Alternative.

While investigating this music I discovered the indebtness some of these groups owed to the Trip-Hop movement especially Massive Attack and Portishead.It is obviuos that Massive Attack have been influenced by the ambient trippy textures of Pink Floyd or space rock.

In my search for other alternative(generally) forms of music I have noticed that the Trip - Hop influence can be heard in a lot of genres including the more experimental end of Progressive Rock/Metal , also Goth Metal/rock(Symphonic Black Metal) & Alternative Rock.Although it could be argued that the influences are from Ambient Techno,Downtempo(includes Trip - Hop),IDM(intelligent dance music),Dub etc.,more uptempo Big Beat/Funky Breaks(Chemical Brothers Etc.) or the Electronica movement in general.

As a person who previously had said they did not like dance music(uhhggg - Disco) I am a bit surprised about quite liking some of this music - I remember alot of people saying that the only progression in music at the moment(in the 90's I think)is in the dance world - I think I understand this now,although quite alarmed by this at the time - Page & Plant and Pink Floyd I believe,said it.

Porcupine tree,Ozric Tenticles,the Gathering(why aren't these included in your Archives)/Incubus & Radiohead seem to have implemented Trip Hop into their music.

I do not like rap ,although this seems to be included be part of the Alternative Rock movement(Rap Metal) which has influenced progressive rock in turn.Please - no more.

P.S. Check out Future Sound of London,Wagon Christ,Amon Tobin,Plaid + some above.Those into experimental electronic music - venetian snares(weird man).

Yeah scratchy I don't think there is a SINGLE band you've mentioned that I don't like either. Massive attack, Portishead, Jeff Buckley, almost ANYTHING on Ninja Tune, they are all fantastic. You have excellent taste and more power to you for casting your eye further and digging out other genres that push back the boundaries of good music.

However new doesn't always mean good. I remember that a sci-fi writer was asked the question 'What do you say to the notion that 90% of science fiction is crap' He replied; 'my good sir, 90% of EVERYTHING is crap'.

Most of the members of this forum like other genre's of music so don't think for a minute that we're all just sitting at home, wearing flower costumes, taking pictures of mellotrons and talking about the good old days. There are some very intelligent and wise heads here who know what they are talking about.

Anyway, good to have you along for the ride.

I Like Portishead...thats it....that is all I am going to say on this subject

PORTISHEAD GOOD!!

Hiya Scratchy. Let's face it, there's room for a bit of everything somewhere in people's collections, so let's hear it for (deep breath) PE's It Takes A Nation of Millions, Beasties, A Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul, Wu-Tang ClanMissy Elliott, Arrested Development, NERD, KRS-One, Portishead, Massive Attack, Tricky, Nellee Hooper, Neneh Cherry...

 Just keep that gangsta sh*t away from me.

 Now, back to the Van Der Graaf CDs...

Dick Heath wrote: Goodness I have enough trouble keeping track with what others mean by prog rock - while trying to keep true to my concepts - and here you go introduce another genre of popular music, trip hop. Is that a sub class of hip hop, or of drum'n'bass, or trance  or something that seemed another passing fad last year, progressive trance............................? I dig Massive Attack for their jazz based music and  for reminding folks of the brilliance of Billy Cobham's 30 year old album Spectrum , very heavily sampled on Safe From Harm - however, I never figured the John McLaughlin acknowledgment on that album. Did you ever hear Belgium band Deus's title track on the album Worse Case Scenario - nice lift of the double bass intro from Zappa's  Little Umbrellas (Hot Rats)

Trip - hop was formed from the experimental end of hip-hop.It does not have the rigid structures of other forms of dance/chill out music.It is influenced by acid-jazz(sampled jazz funk &jazz soul with dub backing-mainly)+ other dance genres(especially the ambient end) and related to Adult Alternative pop/rock.Portishead cross both genres.As said,it does not stay to a rigid structure,it can be said to be progressive.Progressive Trance does not progress in a track based sense - it is ment to be hypnotic by repetition - the progression in this sense is that the sound to create this trance effect keeps changing over time - I think.I am not into that anyway.

I like the trip-hop(alot of the musicians playing the music,wouldn't describe themseles by this genre) that includes elements of ambient techno - which sounds alot like some of Gong or Tangerine Dream to me(which I believe they have sampled alot anyway).

I think Trip - hop/ambient techno has alot of similarities to the more ambient side of prog and therefore I will be keeping track of it from now on.Alot of musicians from numerous rock genres seem to be inflenced by it also.

Useful_Idiot wrote: If you like trip-hop, check out the prog band Paatos.  They've got some significant trip-hop influences.

Just downloaded 'tea' from this site - perhaps more on the folky side.Also listened to a excerpt of 'Absinth minded' which it is said is trip-hoppy.Steven Wilson(porcupine tree) - produced,adding fresh and modern feel - I believe by using same production techniques perhaps that Portishead etc.use.The singer's voice sounds a little like Bjork or Beth Gibbons(Portishead)even.Doesn't sound unsimilar to the Gathering even in their quieter moments - the Gathering being more prog than these I believe(How to..planet - onwards).

If I had to classify them I'd call them Trip - folk rock against the Gathering Trip - Rock.

Massive Attack would've punched your lights out if you called them Trip Hop to their face!!

I think the label was concoted by the media to slap on any thoughtful hip hop act, who experimented with different sounds. I've seen Massive attack a few times, and they were very good. I thought their last album was drivel, though. Blue Lines and Protection are both excelent albums, and remind me of some great times in the early to mid nineties.

Portishead had their moments too.