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    Posted: March 22 2006 at 05:15
I just listened to the version of "Radio Gnome Invisible" from the "Gong Live Etc." album and noticed that there is an amazing moment of perfect communication between Didier Malherbe and Steve Hillage in it. At the end of his sax solo Malherbe plays an ascending scale that sounds like laughter, which is picked up without any pause by Hillage and answered with a "laughter" from his guitar on a descending scale, mocking the sax slightly, before he starts with one of his typical solos. That's what I call a moment of "perfect communication". This high-level (probably in a double-sense) communication between the musicians is what made Gong such an excellent live band, in my opinion. Does anybody else know such examples of "perfect communication"? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 05:35
I'm no expert on Gong, and what I've heard I've not been keen on, but it sounds as though they were great improvisors live. Most of the bands I like were not really improvisors on stage. I can spot moments of what I would regard as 'great communication' between musicians, but these moments were composed, rather than improvised. The 'communication' came at the writing and rehearsal stage. Good examples of this can be heard during Close to the Edge by Yes, numerous Genesis tracks, especially instrumentals.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 05:40
The mars volta-scabdates is a study in great live improvisation!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 06:14
Nice picture, USAGirl.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 06:17

Originally posted by Lindsay Lohan Lindsay Lohan wrote:

The mars volta-scabdates is a study in great live improvisation!

I have that album. Not my cup of tea.

As for perfect communication, i think almost all progressive bands has to have that perfect communication. most of progressive songs have odd time signatures and unisons. (esp. progressive metal and technical stuffs). Its such an amazing thing that musicians can understand each other by a mere eye contact....

...and that is the beauty of our music.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 06:19

Originally posted by erlenst erlenst wrote:

Nice picture, USAGirl.  

so... your comments on perfect communication????


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 06:44

Concerning Erlenst his reaction: "every picture tells a story so" perhaps subconcious communication by the very seducing looking USA girl on the attached picture?

Anyway, I have always loved the hot interaction between Jon Lord and Ritchie Blackmore on stage, two opposite characters, what a chemistry! And the dynamic interplay between Neil Peart, Alex Lifeson and Geddy Lee on stage, so enthousiastic, adventurous and powerful!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 06:49
Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

Concerning Erlenst his reaction: "every picture tells a story so" perhaps subconcious communication by the very seducing looking USA girl on the attached picture?

Anyway, I have always loved the hot interaction between Jon Lord and Ritchie Blackmore on stage, two opposite characters, what a chemistry! And the dynamic interplay between Neil Peart, Alex Lifeson and Geddy Lee on stage, so enthousiastic, adventurous and powerful!

Right on!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 07:00
Originally posted by Majestic_Mayhem Majestic_Mayhem wrote:

Originally posted by Lindsay Lohan Lindsay Lohan wrote:

The mars volta-scabdates is a study in great live improvisation!

I have that album. Not my cup of tea.

As for perfect communication, i think almost all progressive bands has to have that perfect communication. most of progressive songs have odd time signatures and unisons. (esp. progressive metal and technical stuffs). Its such an amazing thing that musicians can understand each other by a mere eye contact....

...and that is the beauty of our music.


Well, yes, but that's not what I meant when talking about communication. That is more like the communication in a theatrical play, where the players of course have to interact with each other, but it is rehearsed. But suppose during such a theatrical play an actor reacts to the cry of a baby from the audience (which for some reason was taken along by her mother) and makes a remark about it, which is then answered by a remark from another of the actors. This is the kind of communication I meant. Spontaneous, not rehearsed. That moment of communication between Malherbe and Hillage was definitely not rehearsed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 07:18
Originally posted by USAGirl USAGirl wrote:

Originally posted by Majestic_Mayhem Majestic_Mayhem wrote:

Originally posted by Lindsay Lohan Lindsay Lohan wrote:

The mars volta-scabdates is a study in great live improvisation!

I have that album. Not my cup of tea.

As for perfect communication, i think almost all progressive bands has to have that perfect communication. most of progressive songs have odd time signatures and unisons. (esp. progressive metal and technical stuffs). Its such an amazing thing that musicians can understand each other by a mere eye contact....

...and that is the beauty of our music.


Well, yes, but that's not what I meant when talking about communication. That is more like the communication in a theatrical play, where the players of course have to interact with each other, but it is rehearsed. But suppose during such a theatrical play an actor reacts to the cry of a baby from the audience (which for some reason was taken along by her mother) and makes a remark about it, which is then answered by a remark from another of the actors. This is the kind of communication I meant. Spontaneous, not rehearsed. That moment of communication between Malherbe and Hillage was definitely not rehearsed.

 got your point...

 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 09:00
Originally posted by USAGirl USAGirl wrote:

Originally posted by Majestic_Mayhem Majestic_Mayhem wrote:

Originally posted by Lindsay Lohan Lindsay Lohan wrote:

The mars volta-scabdates is a study in great live improvisation!

I have that album. Not my cup of tea.

As for perfect communication, i think almost all progressive bands has to have that perfect communication. most of progressive songs have odd time signatures and unisons. (esp. progressive metal and technical stuffs). Its such an amazing thing that musicians can understand each other by a mere eye contact....

...and that is the beauty of our music.


Well, yes, but that's not what I meant when talking about communication. That is more like the communication in a theatrical play, where the players of course have to interact with each other, but it is rehearsed. But suppose during such a theatrical play an actor reacts to the cry of a baby from the audience (which for some reason was taken along by her mother) and makes a remark about it, which is then answered by a remark from another of the actors. This is the kind of communication I meant. Spontaneous, not rehearsed. That moment of communication between Malherbe and Hillage was definitely not rehearsed.


Maybe the part in Strange King of Woman from Made in Japan where Blackmore plays a melody on his guitar, and Gillan repeats it with his voice. This goes on for quite some time and sounds pretty great.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 10:34
Everytime I watch video footage of Led Zeppelin, the interplay between John Paul Jones and John Bonham seems like a mysterious kind of magic to me. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 10:44
All of the Godspeed you! black emperor songs live are made by comunication. (they say its by signs and such) One can easily be lost in the middle of the song so they need to have a good comunication; plus cosidering they are 9 people in one stage is even more harder.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 10:47
Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

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Anyway, I have always loved the hot interaction between Jon Lord and Ritchie Blackmore on stage, two opposite characters, what a chemistry! ..................

That's exactly my first thought after I read initial post of this thread. Also duelling between Gillan's voice and Ritchie's guitar on one of their live albums is just amazing.

There was also another duel between these two, when Blackmore was throwing beer glass onto Gillan, but this incident is more about "perfect miscommunication".

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 10:53

Numerous examples of "perfect communication" would be the improvisations that the 1972-74 era King Crimson would perform nightly as part of their shows. The best recorded example of these is "The Great Deceiver" 4 disc box set. Fripp, Cross, Wetton, and Bruford entered into some deep telepathic communication with each other during these improv's.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 11:39
The part on "After the Ordeal" where the guitar comes in.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 11:48
Originally posted by Jmoog Jmoog wrote:

Numerous examples of "perfect communication" would be the improvisations that the 1972-74 era King Crimson would perform nightly as part of their shows. The best recorded example of these is "The Great Deceiver" 4 disc box set. Fripp, Cross, Wetton, and Bruford entered into some deep telepathic communication with each other during these improv's.

 

I think Jmoog is correct, any band that practices and perfects the art of improvisational jamming would occassionally achieve what USAGirl is alluding to.

In addition to early Crimson check out live Grateful Dead and Phish.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 12:38

Originally posted by erlenst erlenst wrote:

Nice picture, USAGirl.  

 

Indeed   

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 12:51

I can't help it...after looking at your picture I got this fixed idea of having a "perfect moment of communication" with you.

Sorry about that. hehehehehe

Ok some moments of perfect communicaction in music that i took from the top of my head... (defining a perfect moment as something that happens "live", because  in studio it is easy to sinchronize things)

1) An incredible amount of them in Gentle Giant's playing the fool, between all of the palyers arguably the best live album ever...

2) Some bettewn Mick Box and Ken Hensley in "Gipsy" one of the tracks of the superb Uriah heep album

3) Several of them between Bernard Paganotti and Chrisdtian Vander in almost every live Magma track ( but that's what we expect from them right?)

4) Incredible intuitive communication between both Pentangle guitar players: Bert Jansch and John  Renbourne (that's folk rock for you!)

5) and.. this one is not live but what's a rule for but to be broken..? Patrick Moraz and Bruford and Squire inverted arrangement on Lucky Seven in Squire's "fish out of water"*

 

As I said those are from the top of my head and I included prog or folk prog only...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 12:56
Originally posted by Lindsay Lohan Lindsay Lohan wrote:

The mars volta-scabdates is a study in great live improvisation!

Indeed.
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