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Poll Question: Do you think Saga have a right to be included as a 'Prog' band?
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    Posted: July 07 2006 at 08:50
Whether you are a Saga fan or not, please give this some thought!  
 
There are no winners or losers in this poll!...smiles
 
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Edited by BilboBaggins - July 07 2006 at 19:11
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2006 at 19:14
Interesting voting...quite revealing
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2006 at 11:02

notice no-one is willing to actually say why they voted yes

I chose Related for the obvious reasons of the other thread

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2006 at 11:05
Ok, to those in favor of voting "Prog Rock": Which is Saga's most progressive album? I'll listen to that, and then I'll vote.Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2006 at 11:47
I think they are pop prog,  since there isn`t  pop prog (more pop than prog)  I`ll go with prog related   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2006 at 11:52
Are they related to Prog-METAL? I kinda figured that because Mike said something about himself voting for Saga... In that case, I'll gladly listen to their proggiest album myself as well.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2006 at 11:58
I voted Prog Rock as I'm not sure whether they are prog-related, neo-prog or Art Rock. Notwithsatnding the subgenre they are prog rock!
 
I tend to see them as a precursor for neo-prog. A "New-prog" subgenre (meaning post-punk/post-Then-There-Were-Three) would have covered both Saga and neo-prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2006 at 12:01
Originally posted by ivansfr0st ivansfr0st wrote:

Are they related to Prog-METAL? I kinda figured that because Mike said something about himself voting for Saga... In that case, I'll gladly listen to their proggiest album myself as well.
 
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I don't think they are related in any way to prog metal ... LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2006 at 12:06
You mentioned something about voting on them as I thought that it maybe would be a PMT activity thing. Embarrassed
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2006 at 14:46
Originally posted by earlyprog earlyprog wrote:

I voted Prog Rock as I'm not sure whether they are prog-related, neo-prog or Art Rock. Notwithsatnding the subgenre they are prog rock!
 
I tend to see them as a precursor for neo-prog. A "New-prog" subgenre (meaning post-punk/post-Then-There-Were-Three) would have covered both Saga and neo-prog.
 
I agree with you.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2006 at 14:56
Definately prog - Humble Stance and The Perfectionist are classic prog tracks IMO      
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2006 at 17:48
Hardly even prog-related, so I didn't vote.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2006 at 01:27
Only heard one album (Heads or Tails), it's not even really PR, but I won't vote-can't judge a band on one album, but I have to say "Heads or Tails" has put me off from buying anymore Saga.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2006 at 02:07
    I have to admit that I was shocked to see them here at all. I only knew them from the hit they had back in the '80s. I never gave them much thought after that. A buddy of mine gave me a copy of their new album to listen to. To my surprise, I found it quite proggy. It's nothing earth shattering, but it's a fun listen. Based on that, I can be comfortable with prog related.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2006 at 13:14

Just listen to the first 4 or 5 albums, plus several since then including those after the band reunited, and listen carefully. Take away what appears to be a 'pop rock' drum sound (although closer instpection reveals some subtleties that may surprise some) and listen to the escellent keyboard and guitar work. They should be expecially congratulated for breaking the mold that prog had conformed to up to the end of the seventies. They evolved where others followed suit. Please to take those 'Proghead' blinkers off and see them for what they are. Think outside the box for once and remember that Prog is not stagnant. Saga were the first to do what Asia, It Bites, Marillion, and many others did much later. It seems obvious to me that given the voting in this survey, there is a general feeling that to move them to Prog Related was the wrong decision. We are over categorising and the spirit of Prog is suffering...let's keep it simple and have a General Prog category and do away with the Prog Related category...why are we recognising near misses anyway?...that's surely not what we are here to do.

 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2006 at 16:46
^Saga in the right contextClap
 
Well put, BigBrownBear.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2006 at 16:57

I voted progrock. Now that I've discovered so many 'real' prog bands I should have classified them under prog related maybe, but in the eighties when I started to discover prog, there wasn't so much prog rock to discover for the average prog fan in the days without Internet and almost unknown prog magazines, and Saga was one of those bands which drew my attention as a representative of prog music.

I'm surprised how unpopular they've become through the years Shocked . Not many people discuss them on PA.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2006 at 07:01
Originally posted by BigBrownBear BigBrownBear wrote:

Just listen to the first 4 or 5 albums, plus several since then including those after the band reunited, and listen carefully. Take away what appears to be a 'pop rock' drum sound (although closer instpection reveals some subtleties that may surprise some) and listen to the escellent keyboard and guitar work. They should be expecially congratulated for breaking the mold that prog had conformed to up to the end of the seventies. They evolved where others followed suit. Please to take those 'Proghead' blinkers off and see them for what they are.

Think outside the box for once and remember that Prog is not stagnant. Saga were the first to do what Asia, It Bites, Marillion, and many others did much later. >>> agreed that they do belong in the archives
 
It seems obvious to me that given the voting in this survey, there is a general feeling that to move them to Prog Related was the wrong decision. >>> far from me the idea of blatant cheating but this poll was not yet one day old and the score was 12-0 with no-one having posted <<<<< since my first post (the second in this thread) the score is now 10-12. Sounds fishy to you?
 
 
 
We are over categorising and the spirit of Prog is suffering...let's keep it simple and have a General Prog category and do away with the Prog Related category...why are we recognising near misses anyway?...that's surely not what we are here to do.
 


Edited by Sean Trane - July 12 2006 at 07:02
let's just stay above the moral melee
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2006 at 07:06
a lot of Saga's albums are neo prog --> prog rock
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2006 at 07:52
Originally posted by Zac M Zac M wrote:

Only heard one album (Heads or Tails), it's not even really PR, but I won't vote-can't judge a band on one album, but I have to say "Heads or Tails" has put me off from buying anymore Saga.
 
Unhappy It's one of their best albums, with some really impressive grooves.
 
Coming back to the poll, Saga had many identities during their long career, and I am not sure if they are prog or not. Synth-pop would be a more appropriate term to qualify their music. They began as a "symph" prog band with three landmark albums, then included some electronic drumming in their music and the sound of eighties' pop, then make the bass sound more present giving them a hard-rock sound in the nineties up till now.
 
I am a huge fan of their early works up to 'The security of illusion'. I am not very fond of their last albums, although 'Trust' is not that bad (but why these odd voices by the keyboardist ?). Some people find disappointing the second Sadler's solo album (which features drummer exrtraordinaire Chris Frazier who played on Vai's acclamed 'Passion and warfare') but I find it to be the best work released by a Saga-related artist.
 
If you want to discover the prog side of Saga, check the "phase one" and "generation 13" albums.
 
 
However, nevermind the label you can stick to Saga's music, they play good music and that's what matters.
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