The American Politics Thread - Progressive Rock Music Forum

Easy Money wrote:

For those who are not clear on what hollywood donald is being investigated for, fellow republican mitt romney explains it in this brief quote:

Republican Utah Senator Mitt Romney wrote that it would be “troubling in the extreme” if President Donald Trump “asked or pressured” Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to investigate Hunter Biden’s business dealings in the country.

“If the President asked or pressured Ukraine’s president to investigate his political rival, either directly or through his personal attorney, it would be troubling in the extreme,” Romney tweeted. “Critical for the facts to come out.”

Getting back to the issue at hand, what it will be up to our justice system to decide is whether or not using government aid as a tool to help one's political aspirations is illegal or not.

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Mulvaney says Ukraine aid was tied to Trump's desire for investigation

From CNN's Allie Malloy

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Acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney told reporters today that aid to Ukraine was in fact tied to President Trump’s wish for an investigation into the 2016 election.

When asked about the decision to withhold aid from Ukraine, Mulvaney told reporters that President Trump told him at the time, "This is a corrupt place. Everyone knows this is a corrupt place…Plus, I'm not sure that the other European countries are helping them out either.”

Mulvaney also added, “Did he also mention me in the past that the corruption related to the DNC server? Absolutely. No question about that."

When questioned on Mulvaney saying that the White House held up security money from Ukraine until the president got assurances, Mulvaney told reporters to “get over it” saying there are going to be political impacts on foreign policy.

"The corruption of the country, whether or not other countries participating in support of Ukraine, and whether or not cooperating in an ongoing investigation with the department of justice. That is completely legitimate, yes"

A reporter then questioned Mulvaney on his explanation saying it sounds like a quid-pro-quo to which Mulvaney said: “We do that all the time with foreign policy.”

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Acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney appeared to confirm that the White House was conducting a review of the call between the Ukrainian president and President Trump, which was flagged in an intelligence community whistleblower report.

“If you’re having the House do what they’re going to do, doesn’t it simply make sense for us to sort of try and find out what happened?” Mulvaney asked during a White House news briefing today.

Mulvaney also said there is not an impeachment “war room” at the White House.

However, Mulvaney added, “Yes, we’re having lawyers look at it. Yes, we’re having our PR people looking at it. If we … weren’t doing that, we’d be committing malpractice. But I don’t think there’s anything extraordinary that we’re doing.”

Mulvaney also said the review was not part of an attempt to uncover the whistleblower.

He later added that “no one here had any difficulty with the call. We do think the call is perfect.”

“No one raised any difficulty with me on the call at all,” he continued.

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Mulvaney: "There's no coverup and I can prove it to you by our actions"

Acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney, asked about the White House's decision to move the Ukraine call transcript to a highly classified system, insisted the administration has not covered anything up.

"If we wanted to cover this up, would we have called the Department of Justice almost immediately and have them look at the transcript of the tape? Which we did, by the way," Mulvaney asked. "If we wanted to cover this up, would we have released it to the public?"

Remember: The White House transcript is a rough long of the call and not a verbatim transcript.

Mulvaney continued: "Everybody wants to believe there's a coverup. You don't give it to the public and say, 'Here it is,' if you're trying to cover something up."

"You can stop asking the questions in there because there's no coverup and I can prove it to you by our actions

Edited by SteveG - October 17 2019 at 14:19

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Trump-fluffers are hilarious. Mafia Don is corrupt and is using every opportunity to line the pockets of his foreign-made Donald J. Trump Signature Collection suit.

Acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney announced on Thursday that the president selected his own Trump Doral golf resort as the site of June’s G-7 summit. Heads of state and diplomats will congregate at his own property—which is in steep decline and needs extra business in June. The move ensures that other nations will spend millions of dollars housing hundreds of personnel at Trump’s resort, funneling money from foreign governments into the president’s business. There are myriad other potential locations, but Trump chose to award the contract to himself.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/10/trump-doral-g7-emoluments-impeachment-congress.html

It is so bad, that even Faux News couldn't stomach the lunacy of a sitting president directly profiting from a geopolitical event including the Prime Ministers/Presidents/Chancellors of the European Union, Great Britain, France, Germany, Italy, and, of course, the Criminal Clown-In-Chief of the U.S.

Fox News legal analyst Andrew Napolitano said Thursday that President Trump's decision to host next year's Group of Seven (G-7) summit at one of his golf properties in Florida was a "direct" and "profound" violation of the Constitution's Emoluments Clause.

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/466344-fox-news-legal-analyst-calls-trump-move-to-host-g-7-at-doral-resort-direct-and

And the big Russian cherry atop the festering sh*t cone is that Trump intends to invite Putin, the man directly and unequivocally responsible for attacking the U.S. electoral process.

Even beyond the optics of this event, the choice to invite Mr. Putin to Florida a mere weeks before Americans go to the polls to select a president is politically baffling. The FBI has stated that in 2016 Russia hacked into at least two Florida county election systems during the presidential campaign. And given the continued importance of Florida in presidential elections, you can bet that the Russians will try to hack into Florida’s election systems again next year.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2019/08/28/trump-the-g7-and-the-perception-of-being-putins-puppet/

Trump not only needs to be removed from office, he needs a padded cell and some Depends. He is sundowning in the middle of the day.

...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...

Thank you for that. Now I'm converted.

Psychedelic Paul wrote:

omphaloskepsis wrote:

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Bottom Line: I want facts and evidence. Your opinion is not evidence of a Trump crime. Stock Market at all time highs is evidence of a good economy. Lowest unemployment in your lifetime is evidence of a thriving economy. No new wars is evidence of peace. Perhaps you want war? If so, I understand how Trump withdrawing troops must piss you off. Try to understand me. I love peace. I don't care about Trump's personality. I don't care if Trump is a boor. If Trump doesn't start unprovoked wars...I like him. If Trump lowers my taxes...I like him. If Trump lowers unemployment for everybody...I like him. If Trump lowers my health insurance....I like him.

I'm all about Trump's polices. I can't vote for Democrat policies of Open Borders, More Wars, and Federal funds for male abortions. Maybe you want war? Me? I don't.

Maybe you want open borders. Me? I want vetted immigration.

Maybe you want an abortion. Me? I don't believe men can get pregnant.

I'm not American, but if I was, I'd vote for a thriving economy, low unemployment, lower taxes, strong borders, a strong military, no new foreign wars, and above all, I'd vote for a strong and determined, patriotic President who loves his country and its people and who has brought a new sense of optimism to America with his message of Love, Peace & Unity. We love you in England too, Mr President.

Paul, I cut you a lot of slack as I know that you are British and not familiar with the US issues. First off, Trump is skating on the financial bailouts of the Obama administration and taking the credit for a strong economy, which is really a house of cards that will implode sooner or later as the US now has a deficit of over 1 trillion dollars and a national debt of over 20 trillion dollars. Trump is the most divisive President in US history in that his covert racism goes against the melting pot tradition of the US. All US citizens are decedents of foreigners, and his disregard for black and brown people is far from anything that any rational person would consider to be a message of Love, Peace and Unity. You would have to live in the urban US to grasp all of this and see through all of the negativity that Trump incites. That he's also a corrupt official that feels entitled to abuse his executive power should be evident from the current events.

Edited by SteveG - October 18 2019 at 05:21

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I'm not American, but if I was, I'd vote for a thriving economy, low unemployment, lower taxes, strong borders, a strong military, no new foreign wars, and above all, I'd vote for a strong and determined, patriotic President who loves his country and its people and who has brought a new sense of optimism to America with his message of Love, Peace & Unity. We love you in England too, Mr President.

[/QUOTE] Paul, I cut you a lot of slack as I know that you are British and not familiar with the US issues. First off, Trump is skating on the financial bailouts of the Obama administration and taking the credit for a strong economy, which is really a house of cards that will implode sooner or later as the US now has a deficit of over 1 trillion dollars. Trump is the most divisive President in US history in that his covert racism goes against the melting pot tradition of the US. All US citizens are foreigners, and his disregard for black and brown people is far anything that any rational person would consider to be a message of Love, Peace and Unity. You would have to live in the urban US to grasp all of this and see through all of the negativity that Trump incites.[/QUOTE]

1. Obama used financial bailouts to prop up the economy. That much is true. It's also true, that the Democrats predicted recession/depression and a 3rd World economy, if Trump was elected. What happened? The Stock Market rallied big-time the moment Trump was elected. Best economy in my lifetime!

2. It's true that there is over a trillion dollar deficit. It's also true that the deficit accrued at DOUBLE THE RATE under Obama. Trump has cut the rate of rising deficit. Research the deficit history yourself. Just plug in the dates and the rest is history...

https://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/debt/current

3. Covert Racism is nothing but an opinion held by conspiracy theorists and fake news. Let's look at facts. Trump has lowered black and Hispanic unemployment to record low levels. Lowest ever! Would a racist president would do that? Trump used to hang out with Al Sharpton. Heck, there are photos of Trump going back decades, hanging out with bunches of minorities. Look up the photos. They're all over the internet. The Democrats predicted that Trump would put blacks in concentration camps. Instead, Trump just signed the First Step Prison Reform Act, which will release thousands of minorities from prison early. What is Racist about that? The Republicans freed the Slaves. Democrats started the KKK. Research it.

4. I live in Urban USA. Does Steve lives in the USA. Another thing...All the most crime ridden, murderous cities are run by Democrat administrations. How is it Trump's fault, that democrat run cities murder thousands of people every year? Look it up. Do your own research. The facts are on Trump's side. Conspiracy theorists like Steve deal in paranoid fantasies. That, or Steve knowingly supports unelected alphabet agency, Deep State propaganda.

Me? I'm for the American Constitution. 1st amendment Free Speech. 2nd amendment-right to defend myself. 4th Amendment protection from unreasonable search and siezure.... And above all, I'm for Peace. That's why I'll vote for Trump. Trump doesn't start wars. Trump wants to pull American Troops out of the Middle East. Steve against pulling American Troops out of other countries. Steve claims it's an idiotic thing to do. I disagree, but I support Steve's right to say that. Free Speech. Wink

Edited by omphaloskepsis - October 18 2019 at 05:52

omphaloskepsis wrote:

I'm not American, but if I was, I'd vote for a thriving economy, low unemployment, lower taxes, strong borders, a strong military, no new foreign wars, and above all, I'd vote for a strong and determined, patriotic President who loves his country and its people and who has brought a new sense of optimism to America with his message of Love, Peace & Unity. We love you in England too, Mr President.

Paul, I cut you a lot of slack as I know that you are British and not familiar with the US issues. First off, Trump is skating on the financial bailouts of the Obama administration and taking the credit for a strong economy, which is really a house of cards that will implode sooner or later as the US now has a deficit of over 1 trillion dollars. Trump is the most divisive President in US history in that his covert racism goes against the melting pot tradition of the US. All US citizens are foreigners, and his disregard for black and brown people is far anything that any rational person would consider to be a message of Love, Peace and Unity. You would have to live in the urban US to grasp all of this and see through all of the negativity that Trump incites.[/QUOTE]

1. It's true that Obama used financial bailouts. It's also true that the Democrats predicted recession and a horrible economy if Trump was elected. It's also true that the Stock Market rallied big-time the moment Trump was elected.

2. It's true that there is over a trillion dollar deficit. It's also true that the deficit accrued at DOUBLE THE RATE under Obama. Trump has cut the rate of rising deficit. Here's the proof. Research the history yourself.

3. Covert Racism is nothing but an opinion held by conspiracy theorists. On the other hand, it's true that Trump has lowered black and Hispanic unemployment to record low levels. Would a racist president would do that? Trump used to hang out with Al Sharpton. Heck there are photos of Trump going back decades, hanging out with bunches of minorities. Look up the photos. They're all over the internet. The Democrats predicted that Trump would put blacks in camps. Instead, Trump just signed the First Step Prison Reform Act, which will release thousands of minorities from prison early. What is Racist about that? The Republicans freed the Slaves. Democrats started the KKK. Research it.

4. I live in Urban USA. Does Steve lives in the USA. Another thing...All the most crime ridden, murderous cities are run by Democrat administrations. Most for decades. How is it Trump's fault that democrat run cities murder thousands of people every year? Look it up. Do your own research. The facts are on Trump's side. Conspiracy theorists like Steve deal in paranoid fantasies. That, or Steve knowingly supports unelected alphabet agency, Deep State propaganda.

Me? I'm for the American Constitution. 1st amendment Free Speech. 2nd amendment-right to defend myself. 4th Amendment protection from unreasonable search and siezure.... And above all, I'm for Peace. That's why I'll vote for Trump. Trump doesn't start wars. Trump wants to pull American Troops out of the Middle East. Steve against pulling American Troops out of other countries. Steve claims it's an idiotic thing to do. I disagree, but I support Steve's right to say that. Free Speech. Wink

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SteveG wrote: Yawn. Btw, I live in NYC, along with some guy named Trump.

Edited by SteveG - October 18 2019 at 06:00

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^ "Inadequate education system" ?
I wouldn't blame the schools, all of that sounds more like weird home schooling to me.

Help the victims of the russian invasion:
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progaardvark wrote:

Easy Money wrote:

^ "Inadequate education system" ?
I wouldn't blame the schools, all of that sounds more like weird home schooling to me.

Yeah, you may be right about that. Could be the water too. Or they just missed that class on critical thinking and research skills. Or they're just trolls.

I've always had the feeling that she was dropped on her head at age three.

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Just because someone has a difference of opinion, it doesn't make them a troll.

I'd love to have the time to reply to you all but I'm far too busy contributing to the site.

Edited by Psychedelic Paul - October 18 2019 at 13:11