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^ different types of meditation. Nothing like vipassana was mentioned. Meditative musical experiences are different. I get your drift but obviously not what he was going for here :)

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I appreciate everyone's comments here, and yeah I'm not talking about getting drunk or doing drugs or anything like that. To me that stuff would completely defeat the purpose and ultimately put one further back than before they started. 

I use meditation mainly as a means to fully relax myself(without falling asleep). And if I can get more out of it than that then great, if not that's fine too. I've read that single pointed concentration is key, and being fully in the present moment. So I use the music as my 'object of meditation' if that makes sense. I've done it without music before but I rarely can last anywhere near 40 mins. Whereas if I'm listening to a whole album then that forces me to stay with it for that long.

By the way, I listened to more of that second track and it does become more musical later on. It's just that the first one does much sooner. Anyway I do really appreciate all the suggestions from everyone. Namaste


P.S. I agree that lyrics can be distracting. I generally prefer music that is solely instrumental. And in MDK I can't understand the lyrics at all, plus it's more like chanting so it's fine(for me). 
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

^ different types of meditation. Nothing like vipassana was mentioned. Meditative musical experiences are different. I get your drift but obviously not what he was going for here :)

I don't know ... to me that would not be "meditation" as much as it would be tripping. But that line, might be for me, not anyone else.

When one compares something like Frank Perry's first album, to just about anything else, you  should, almost immediately after, to tell the difference. The first minutes eat up your stomach. And it takes various listens to get used to it, and realize that it is not the music causing that, but your reaction to it, and your inability to flow with it, which is a bit on the scary side at first.

This is just like reading things like the BARDO ... we still use archaic logic and ideology to identify it, and discuss it. Because we do not have any way to "describe" the inner levels, the BARDO, cleverly, uses dragons for each and every "door" to the next level, which is the same thing as saying that we would be scared and not able to get to the next level by ourselves ... AT FIRST.

There is very little "rock music" that allows you to LIVE within a meditation ... and one forgets the point that defines a RAGA since the idea is to start and then somewhere along the way to fly and fly and fly and fly ... until you KNOW that you are there, and not imagining it, and the audience is in the same state. You can not have this in most rock music, specially when it constantly comes back to previous moments and scenes, and this tends to hurt the fluidity of the "MOMENT" of the piece at hand.

I have, for 40 years, looked for meditation music, and probably have one of the largest collections of it, but I am not wanting to share this list anymore ... it's my own private and loving and caring domain in inner quietness, and I am tired of saying these things in  a place that has not enough quietness and the majority of responses are not about music with the inner quietness at all for whatever reason. And the first album that got me started was Wolff and Hemmings' "Tibetan Bells", though by that time I had already read the Bardo, Popol Vuh, Gurdgieff, Crowley, Rampa and many other books that discuss these deeper parts, bits and pieces of the inner side of things. It just feels to me, like this is just a Cliff Notes version of the whole thing, when we have to rely on "minor gods" to take us there!

Somewhere in this board there is another thread of this discussion and I had a listing of materials. The "seeker" has to find his/her own truth and inner self!
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