Sorry but this is not Prog...

Blacksword wrote: PeeWee wrote: The same arguments can be made about a band like Kraftwerk. If Kraftwerk is included, why are not artists like the Human League, Japan, Gary Numan and Ultravox included? If Talk Talk are listed in the archives and I assume they still are, then Ultravox and Japan should also be there. BTW..I like all the aforementioned bands..

Talk Talk are included mainly for their later albums such as Spirit Of Eden. By then they were a different band to the original one (which I once saw supporting Duran Duran). The same could be said for Japan (e.g. Tin Drum). Not sure about Ultravox though.

Nightwish are probably a bit too metal for this site. I actually have one of their CDs at home (which my niece got me into) and it does have some prog elements in the orchestral bits but overall it's a bit too, well you know, METAL.

Blacksword wrote: PeeWee wrote: The same arguments can be made about a band like Kraftwerk. If Kraftwerk is included, why are not artists like the Human League, Japan, Gary Numan and Ultravox included? If Talk Talk are listed in the archives and I assume they still are, then Ultravox and Japan should also be there. BTW..I like all the aforementioned bands..

Actually, I thought the other way around, that since the Human League does not fit in here, Kraftwerk should neither be included.

I am a huge fan of those bands, and I still love bands like Human League, Ultravox and Japan. I do hovewer do not think that they belong in a progrock archive, just the same as Kraftwerk and Roxy Music. It is not about taste, I just do not feel that a band that do so clearly belong in the glam rock or synth pop genre is prog.

horza wrote: nimrodel wrote: pink floyd isnt prog. Pink Floyd ARE prog

sorry bad grammar

still, no prog.

As a great lover of Talk talk's last albums ("Spirit of eden" & "Laughing stock") I strongly feel they are prog - orchestral, complex and different. If one only heared the first 3 albums (including "The color of spring" which is pop with some prog elements) he can claim they do'nt belong here but the other two are prog all the way.

While I do'nt think human league or kraftwerk are prog (and no way ultravox) I do believe japan is not so far away and as a supporter in inclusive atitude I would put them in. Remembering that Roxy music, Styx and Supertramp are included this would only do justice IMO.

If any of you insist talking about Ultravox then at least mention "Viena" that is a very nice track.

And for that Camel fan who claims Pink floyd are not prog - Yes, and dogs do'nt bark !

Tonny Larz wrote: Well..guys..there you have it..again.....we never seem to agree as to what is prog and what is not!!! Maybe....the earlier intro... cant remember his name...was right: This fabulous site eventually could be named: Rock Archives!!??

Rock archives could be more apropreate...

nimrodel wrote: horza wrote: nimrodel wrote: pink floyd isnt prog. Pink Floyd ARE prog sorry bad grammar still, no prog.

I think they're prog... and that yours is a great answer!

I agree withgt the original post, I tihnk that the site is adding bands, just to be adding them.

I tinhk a big reason is that the genre is so delicatly defined. Some bands have a lot of progressive ideas, but arent quite there. I do not think these bands should be included. This site should define what is considered prog, and not bend the rules when a bunch of people want bands like Queen ( who are amazing, and had some prog songs and albums, but overall are not prog) The people who are the desicion makers( i dont really know the process, so i'll just call them this) Should put their foot down, and not care about if they are hurting someones feelings. This site should be the deciding factor on whether a band is all out prog, or semi prog.

So i suggest this. In the archives, along wiht the name and country and subgenre, we should list the level of prog.

LEVEL5- All out prog, from start to finish, Had a big influence on their sub-genre

LEVEL4- Prog music in its complete form

LEVEL3-  mixture of pure prog music, with touches of mainstreem music in their corresponding genre

LEVEL2- A lot of prog ideas/albums or songs. But overall was/is more of a mainstream band.

LEVEL1- Had a few progressive ideas for their genre and had some prog songs/ albums but was not a big part of the prog universe

These can be changed around a little bit for one purpose or another, but its the general idea of having a Prog-class system that I'm pitching

What do you think?