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Lewian 
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 Posted: November 19 2019 at 15:15 |
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Surely I'm not somebody who normally only loves old stuff, however the North Sea Radio Orchestra make stunningly beautiful handmade music, and absolutely none of the objectons you sometimes read against modern prog bands applies to them.
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Psychedelic Paul
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Posted: November 19 2019 at 15:30 |
The name of the band alone is enough to inspire me to want to listen to their music.
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cstack3
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Posted: November 19 2019 at 15:46 |
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The prog music scene of the early 70's was similar to the romantic period of English poetry in the late 1700's.
Musicians inspired each other a great deal (Peter Banks seems to have known everyone, Hackett used to call Fripp frequently, many shared flats in London & switched bands), and this created an amazing "music engine" that cannot easily be replaced. Try as we might, we cannot re-create those conditions in society. Those folks captured lightning in a bottle. I, too, struggle to find modern prog bands that appeal to me. The jazz-rock fusion idiom has had some exciting developments, and I enjoy hearing women as prog vocalists, which seems to be happening more and more. Here's some old-school prog from the dead for you: • The guitar and violin parts for this NEW STUDIO ALBUM were recorded on the 10th August 2010 in an afternoon of improvisation. • The resultant album was produced by Tony Lowe and David Cross and the guest appearances were recorded during 2018 and 2019 and features: Pat Mastelotto • This is the last new album of material from the late Peter Banks, who passed away in 2013, and had wanted to see this material released. |
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twosteves
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Posted: November 19 2019 at 15:53 |
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old prog musicians were influenced by classical, jazz, blues, avant gard, noise, folk, broadway everything and anything and their was incredible freedom---and they didn't care if you liked it.
modern prog is influenced by Yes Genesis KC ELP, Tull, Pink Floyd, Zappa, Zep-and all the bands they grew up listening to--so therefore can sound derivative ...and does.. Some of it is ok but there is a lot of unoriginal stuff.
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Psychedelic Paul
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Posted: November 19 2019 at 15:59 |
I enjoy listening to modern derivative prog. If modern neo-prog sounds like classic 1970's prog, I consider that a good thing, not a bad thing.
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: November 19 2019 at 15:59 |
Great pick, superb band. |
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Progosopher
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Posted: November 19 2019 at 17:48 |
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Only you can answer the question that is the title of your thread. As for myself, I am still discovering bands from the 70s, although there are a lot of bands and artists who emerged after 1980 that I enjoy.
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The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty"
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: November 19 2019 at 21:15 |
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I'd recommend going to progstreaming and just pick out an artist with an interesting album cover. For me the modern prog artists that float my boat way outweigh the ones who don't. There is so much good stuff going on that if you dismiss it all it does make your life simpler.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Atavachron
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Posted: November 19 2019 at 22:57 |
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^ Good advice, I've found with prog you can judge a book by its cover . |
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richardh
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Posted: November 19 2019 at 23:57 |
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Modern (post 99) classics for me 1. Anathema - Weather Systems 2. Glass Hammer - The Inconsolable Secret 3. Magenta - Seven 4. Par Lindh Project - Veni Vidi Vici 5. Steven Wilson - The Raven That Refused To Sing 6. The Mars Volta - Francis The Mute 7. Big Big Train - The English Electric Part One 8. Rush - Vapor Trails 9. Porcupine Tree - In Absentia 10. Haken - Affinity Actual classics (time approved) 1. ELP - Brain Salad Surgery 2. Yes - Close To The Edge 3. King Crimson - Red 4. Rush - Moving Pictures 5. Genesis - Foxtrot 6. Pink Floyd - Animals 7. Gentle Giant - The Power and The Glory 8. UK - UK 9. Jethro Tull - Thick As A Brick 10. Anglagard - Hybris So would I take any of the modern ones over the actual classics? Possibly Weather Systems would slot in there somewhere obviously but that's it. Makes me realise what a load of money and time I've wasted so bye and it's been good to have known you all ( Moshkito aside)
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M27Barney
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Posted: November 20 2019 at 02:02 |
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^ has Mourinho joining spurs upset you that much? 😎
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Lewian
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Posted: November 20 2019 at 02:43 |
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I see in the Prog News area that Karda Estra are giving away a cool album for free. They're well worth a try for discovering modern prog far away from standard modern prog cliches.
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Posted: November 20 2019 at 05:29 |
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This morning I was listening to the new Jordsjø album, and it certainly has that "old school" feel to it.
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moshkito
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Posted: November 20 2019 at 07:24 |
Honestly, there is a lot of stuff from yesteryear that I love dearly ... like you (and everyone) knows I like Amon Duul 2 ... and their story is sooooo much about the same thing that we all went through in the bad late 60's and early 70's specially. Things weren't days of wine and roses in Madison, even with the ROTC and the National Guard surrounding the Rathskeller (Student Union) and a lot of the campus ... and you getting frisked on the way in (I worked inside there), and OUT ... and watching even the girls get frisked, was, pretty much abuse and then some! All students were rats ... it makes you want to fight and take down those folks ... it makes you a "revolutionary" if you will ... and thus, I would say that a lot of the early material listed has a SPECIAL MEANING that a lot of the newer material does not ... if you ask me how does SW stand up against it? ... sorry my friend ... he's all talk and commercialism by comparison! I, do not find Mars Volta, BBT or Rush any better either ... although I probably would not list RUSH in either of these groups ... they are nice and very good ... but it's like selecting Marillion ahead of Genesis for me. Today's music, has very little meaning, although the things that folks are listening to are ... way too much like everything else that has been, and as I have been listening to GUY GUDEN'S SPACE PIRATE RADIO reincarnation, the one thing he did THEN (from 1974 on) was showcase new music and blow out the flames on these over rated groups that lost their mojo after one album! Today, I do not listen to much of anything on the 2nd listing, and I don't usually put on anything from the old list ... I've heard it enough times and sometimes, too much! Today I hear MONO, and GRAILS ... and think ... why can't people hear new things and appreciate them? Like this morning ... go to 7-11 to get a cup of brew and some food and ... gawd ... bohemian crap on the radio, again ... I am so tired of it! (on top of it, you can not learn to listen to new things when you only know one kind of thing!) There are many things out there ... and the only way we can find them is to open our ears to it ... plain and simple!
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Manuel
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Posted: November 20 2019 at 08:24 |
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One thing I find lacking in modern prog (not all of course, but a lot) is the influence of classical music, so that makes it different in a sense from the classic era (again, not all classic era prog had classical influences). I guess once you have tried it all, or almos all in terms of instruments, influences from other genres, orchestras, etc, it's hard to come with something original (I mean 100% original), but many bands have been able to combine different styles, the yes/genesis influence seems to be the most common, plus many resources that modern technology offers, to come with some interesting music. I think it's a matter of adapting to the new ways, and then, it's easy to enjoy the music, at least for me and a few people I know.
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jpaleschic
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Posted: November 20 2019 at 08:28 |
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I've got some listening work cut out for me - thanks to you all!
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Posted: November 20 2019 at 08:44 |
Great list. It's weird for me to think of Anglagard's hybris as an older(non modern)album since it's post 70's but it is pre 1999 so I can't argue with that. Regardless it definitely deserves to be on here and it's one of a handful of post 70's albums that definitely has to be heard by any self respecting prog fan(even a casual one or someone just starting out). I agree with most of your choices though(out of the ones I know which is most of them). For Porcupine Tree I would swap out in absentia(although it is a great one)for Lightbulb Sun and for Rush I would put in clockwork angels instead. As for the older I would put in larks tongues in aspic instead of red and octopus instead of tp&tg and selling england instead of foxtrot. Ok, that's enough of me being nitpicky.
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MortSahlFan
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Posted: November 20 2019 at 08:54 |
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The only modern prog band I liked, I can't remember. 99% of what I hear that was made in the last 30 years is pretty awful.
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Grumpyprogfan
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Posted: November 20 2019 at 10:49 |
You should make better choices. Most music I listen to from the last 30 years is awesome. |
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Posted: November 20 2019 at 10:50 |
Enjoy! |
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Lewian wrote: