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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2004 at 13:07
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Chris ain't that good actually. He can play unexpected notes and basslines but his technique is somewhat lacking.

Even though Chris is not my favorite bass player, I would be unfair if I said he's not "that good".

IMHO he has a very unique approach, most of the bass players (including Tony Levin) are more concerned about their main function which is being the support of the rhythm section, what is according to some experts the main part of any band.

Chris Squire does a very goob job, but he's also a bassist that's concerned about melody, sometimes he leaves the rhythm section and joins guitars and keyboards in the melodic section (don't know the exact name in english), in this cases he plays the central music of the song with the bass.

This is the reason why the band had to hire Billy Sherwood, because one guitar (specially when acoustic) is not enough for Yes, but when Billy left, Chris has to do two jobs at the same time (As he did in most of Yes career), playing classical bass and helping Steve Howe when guitar needs more strenght.

This is the reason why the rhythm section may sound weaker in some live gigs, the guy is great, but he only has two hands, and when helping to build the melody, the rhythm section looses strenght.

It's also important to remember, he's a complete musician, good composer and a hell of a backing vocalist, so the man has too many things to be concerned of at the same time, while most of bass players only have to worry about two or three chords.

If you want to add some extra merits to good old Chris, he acts as a second frontman with Jon because Steve rarely helps in that field, and when most bass players hide in a second line only doing his job.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2004 at 13:09

Originally posted by emdiar emdiar wrote:

How on Earth is Greg Lake making it on to this thread. This is a BEST PROG BASSIST thread, not a "who happens to play bass in your fave prog band" thread. The same goes for Roger Waters. I mean, hats off to the guy for his imagination and creativity, but best prog bass player??? Have a word with y'selves people!

You might not think so, but I've heard a lot of bands play live.. and Greg Lake (regardless of how I feel about him) was one of the best bassist I've seen.  Besides being extremely fast ( he had no problems keeping up with Keith or Carl) he had great syncopation and rhythm.. and he could always be heard above Keith Emerson.. a trait in itself...  Listen to the "WBMFTTSTNE" live album and see what I mean.

Recently, while in England, I picked up a magazine put out by Guitarist Magazine entitled "The Guitarist Book of Classic Rock"..  It was interviews and profiles on the tops in the industry... In the bassist category there was only 8 profiled, and Greg Lake was number 5....  So I guess I'm not the only one who considers him to be a great bassist...

Plus... on ITCOTKC... Greg had only been playing bass a few months in rehearsals... and his work on that album is amazing... and he can sing at the same time !!! 

Now as I said previously in this thread... I agree with you about Roger Waters..

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2004 at 14:08
anyone who can play something other than root-note quavers.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2004 at 17:39

Originally posted by emdiar emdiar wrote:

How on Earth is Greg Lake making it on to this thread. This is a BEST PROG BASSIST thread, not a "who happens to play bass in your fave prog band" thread. The same goes for Roger Waters. I mean, hats off to the guy for his imagination and creativity, but best prog bass player??? Have a word with y'selves people!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2004 at 21:26
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I'm giving myself a good talking to! Stupid boy Haydon

...OK now I've got the hang of it.Tony Levin.

Geez Richard, I didn't realize you were so easily pushed around...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2004 at 21:43
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2004 at 01:34

Hello? Stanley Clarke anyone?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2004 at 04:25
Originally posted by bass orc23 bass orc23 wrote:

Hello? Stanley Clarke anyone?

If we're having jazz/fussion bassists then yes, Clarke deserves a mention. But if so, then what about MARCUS MILLER? Now that guy can slap.

I seem to have trod on some toes with my earlier post, so for clarity, and imho, Lake is a talented bassist, but adds little to the music other than which is required. Like a session player if you like, or a portrait painter whose portraits are photographic in their accuracy, yet never "jump from the canvas" at you. Now some might say that this is exactly what one requires from a bassist, but such folk have no business listening to prog!

I learned the bass parts to DSOTM at 12yrs old. It took about an hour. Waters, as I said, is no muso, but to his credit he leaves his (considerable) ego out of the bass booth.

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2004 at 12:26
Originally posted by emdiar emdiar wrote:

I seem to have trod on some toes with my earlier post, so for clarity, and imho, Lake is a talented bassist, but adds little to the music other than what is required. Like a session player if you like, or a portrait painter whose portraits are photographic in their accuracy, yet never "jump from the canvas" at you. Now some might say that this is exactly what one requires from a bassist, but such folk have no business listening to prog!

I don't actually agree that Greg was like a session bassist. I think that one of the problems listening to his work with ELP, is that most people tend to listen to the keyboards, and neglect the bass and drums. In all the time I spent listening to their concerts, rehearsals, soundchecks... etc.  I've heard Keith and Carl play alone.. and realized quite a few times.. that it was the bass line that tied the whole thing together and made it melodic in some way.  And as far as not "jumping from the canvas"..  I remember when Greg started doing "Lucky Man" and "Still You Turn Me On" as acoustic numbers in concert.  Even tho I loved hearing them that way at first.. I started to realize how naked they sounded... Just listen to this little clip of ELP's most boring (but beautiful) song and tell me that bass line doesn't jump out at you.

http://www.greglake.com/newsite/html/discpops/05LuckMn.mp3

and I gather Roger Daltry respects him as a bass player.. since besides recording with the Who recently.. he's the bass player in Roger Daltry's "RD Crusaders" which should be performing again this Oct. in London.  And how many of these bassists named here were asked by Ringo Starr to tour with him.

Sorry... I know.. .I can't help it... Later on, we can discuss his acoustic talents.. which just aren't discussed enough...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2004 at 12:50
Thank goodness we are asked for nominees, rather than cutting to the chase of a fully blown poll with half the obvious names missing. However, forgive me (ladies and) gentlemen but the nominees seem to be largely from the list of usual suspects: why so ? My nominee is Fedor Fresco of the early 70's Czech band Collegium Musicium  - and if you haven't heard of them let alone heard their music, shame on you.  Check out Fedor's  bass solo on You Are Impossible Pt 1 on the band's Live  album (Pavian Records PM0003-2311), and be surprised !


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2004 at 13:04

Ok, Dick...will look around for that.

And by the way, did I tell you how nice it is to be the female HEATH on this board..

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2004 at 14:08

Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Thank goodness we are asked for nominees, rather than cutting to the chase of a fully blown poll with half the obvious names missing. However, forgive me (ladies and) gentlemen but the nominees seem to be largely from the list of usual suspects.


This is true, Dick, which is why my only nominee was (and is) Pekka Pohjola. Have none of you prog bassists heard "The Mathamaticians Air Display" yet? 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2004 at 17:02

I know I mentioned Roger Waters earlier... but how could I left Louis Roy out ?

Well, he DEFINITELY belongs to this list!

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2004 at 11:38

I would say Chris Squire, But there is also an special mention to Roger Waters and Pekka Pohjola. Jonas Sjogren (skyfire) also deserves a mention.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2004 at 18:31
Jazz rock and jazz funk bass players are getting the mention above, e.g Pastorius and Stanley Clarke;  (to confound some, Clarke was said to have been heavily into Chris Squire's playing around the time of the recording of Romantic Warrior). However, if you  mention these two and the flood gates should be opened with another 20 minimum from those two genres, being included - starting with Jonas Hellborg. Did folks know that the drummer of the Flowers King was part of the Jonas Hellborg Group for a late 80's recording? (If anybody wants that list let me know).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2004 at 03:34

So if I follow you Threefates, Greg Lake is the best prog bassist, Carl Palmer the best prog drummer and Keith Emerson the best keyboardist.

One of my favorite is Stanley Clarke for his work in 'Return to forever'

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2004 at 04:58
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2004 at 23:51

Tony Levin, Geddy Lee, John Wetton (everyone forgets him) Ray Shulman and the best prob bassist of all time - Chris Squire.

I also like Mike Rutherford quite a bit.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2004 at 00:02
MY old time favorites are Squire and Geddy Lee.  My favorite modern prog bass player is Jonas Reingold of The Flower Kings
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2004 at 13:14
Trey Gunn, he's fantastic... Tony Levin and John Wetton who are/were playing in KC are also great , but Trey in mu opinion is more inventive.
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