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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

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Terje Rypdal/David Darling --- EOS ... 

Aside from the first cut, which I think it basically telling you to get out if you don't have an ear, the rest of this is just the two of them in a small room/chamber doing some unbelievable stuff ... to me, the guitar in many moments is what Hendrix would do if he had ever grown older. 

Sadly, not many folks will listen to it, because it is ECM ... and the far out experiments in music they did, specially in those early days! We just don't have the ears for it, I don't think.

Hi Pedro,

Thanks for the suggestion. I was able to stream the album on my Amazon account and enjoyed the lyrical interplay between the two musicians. I may lean toward classifying this as chamber jazz. I know you don't do the video post thing, so I have a selected a track for the playlist. The album itself isn't on YouTube but various tracks are available from a David Darling compilation album.

Serje Rypdal & David Darling - Bedtime Story


I also saw a review video for the album on YouTube and the reviewer, on the first track, said (and I am paraphrasing) that it was something you might hear at music store from someone trying out and showing off on a new electric guitar. I thought that was funny. He loved the rest of the album. 
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Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

@Mila. Good point. I would say that the Serge Gainsbourg composition is chamber or even orchestral pop. Part of this playlist/poll creation was motivated by the Teach Me About Chamber Rock thread linked in the original post. I am interested in learning more and part is in understanding a good definition.

I asked ChatGPT for examples and posted its response in the other thread. I asked again just now and got a different set of examples. It's still learning. Here's the response I got, which includes an answer to me also asking for characteristics.

Thanks for all the info, George! I couldn't answer you right away. Yes, as I already suspected earlier, this poll is basically about rock based chamber music, although that is not always clearly recognisable in the tracks proposed so far, also with regard to the rock music style that normally is characteristic of chamber pop/rock. If I can, I will suggest something else. Could you please delete the France Gall video, since her song doesn't fit the theme really.


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The discussion, and looking around for other stuff, make me aware that I don't really know either what is chamber rock and what isn't. The 2022 Aquaserge album "The Possibility of a New Work for Aquaserge" is as chamber rock as it gets in my book (actually the tracks make clear reference to and take strong inspiration from leading modern composers), but I've never seen this called or tagged as chamber anything. Well what do I know? You can put this in the playlist of you think it fits.
Aquaserge - 1768 deg.C (A Edgar Varese)



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Then, some artists I have in mind may not be rock enough, if chamber without a doubt. For example the gorgeous Five-Storey Ensemble.
Here is Not That City. Strawinsky would be proud!


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@Christian, the Aquaserge track doesn't play for me. Is this it and does this version play for you?

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@Mila, the rock aspect is hard to define. And in part, was why I decided to do an interactive playlist/poll. Some of what has been suggested lie more toward modern chamber music. Like Christian, I am not entirely sure of what is or is not chamber rock. There was good discussion in the other thread and examples stated that could or could not be, but I wanted to encourage posting of tracks so we could listen and decide or not.
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@George: That version doesn't play for me. It may well be it but I can't tell.
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Ok, as long as there are a few spots left I will suggest the following two tracks, one of which is a replacement for France Gall and her song by Serge Gainsbourg.

American indie rockers Grizzly Bear draw influcences, among others, from the Beach Boys who defined chamber pop/rock back in the 1960s. Their influence is clearly recognizable in the chosen track, in others maybe less. Grizzly Bear opened for Radiohead on their 2008 North American tour btw. and Johnny Greenwood was quite taken by them at the time.

Grizzly Bear: Two Weeks (Album: Veckatimest, 2009)


Even though these British newcomers are now widely known I want to bring them here because their sophomore album is one of my favourite releases of 2022. Besides this is about a more or less representative playlist, if I have understood correctly, also I have noticed several bands in the line-up that we know already from previous IA-polls. :P

Black Country, New Road: Chaos Space Marine (Album: Ants from Up There, 2022)




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Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

Terje Rypdal/David Darling --- EOS ... 

Aside from the first cut, which I think it basically telling you to get out if you don't have an ear, the rest of this is just the two of them in a small room/chamber doing some unbelievable stuff ... to me, the guitar in many moments is what Hendrix would do if he had ever grown older. 

Sadly, not many folks will listen to it, because it is ECM ... and the far out experiments in music they did, specially in those early days! We just don't have the ears for it, I don't think.

Hi Pedro,

Thanks for the suggestion. I was able to stream the album on my Amazon account and enjoyed the lyrical interplay between the two musicians. I may lean toward classifying this as chamber jazz. I know you don't do the video post thing, so I have a selected a track for the playlist. The album itself isn't on YouTube but various tracks are available from a David Darling compilation album.

Serje Rypdal & David Darling - Bedtime Story
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Absolutely lovely ... 

I have never, EVER, looked at EOS or even this, as a "jazz" or "this or that" album. To my ear it is simply impossible, if we just close out eyes and follow the flow of the music ... it has less to do with what kind it is, than it does with its own desire to continue the feeling and the flow. This, could, have been done 100, 200 years ago, and probably was but never "recorded" (in those days in notes) so we could hear the interplay and expression, and we know that existed, when there was so much going on with piano and voice, and other combinations.

For me, and it is a most important feeling, the idea of "chamber rock" is fine, as long as we know what "chamber" meant, but the issue I found here is ... because the term "rock" was used, that the idea of it being actually like "chamber music of the old days, was not the idea or what was meant at all!

There is so much great music out there, that is better judged without a supposed connection to this or that ... which more often than not hurts the artist ... Rypdal for me, is not about "jazz" as much as he is about "classical" (not to mention the incredible number of classical works), even though to our ears, there maybe some jazz musings, which I would think that even Terje might not consider them jazz, by just saying ... it's how the notes come out! Davis Darling, as well, is not exactly known for being a jazz person either, and his early days, with Carlos Nakai (one album specially had DD all over it and made it better) even showed that trying to put a stamp on a player was not the right thing. 

But then, I had stopped putting a stamp on players and their music by the time "progressive music" came around ... I had already heard too many things, and different things by the same person/composer, to ever consider that people were stuck in a time warp, like we put musicians in! Wink
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

@George: That version doesn't play for me. It may well be it but I can't tell.

It took a bit of manipulation, but I think I added both videos to the playlist so it will be there for people who can't see one.
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A third from me:

Rational Diet - Dear Kontrabandist (off this Belarus ensemble's At Work from 2008).


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Pikapika Teart - Moonberry



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Thanks Greg and Ian for the new suggestions! They have been added to the playlist. I'll update the poll list later.

Six slots left!
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George, I was actually waiting for you to bring forward Orchestre Tout Puissant Marcel Duchamp, because it was you who introduced me to this wonderful group in one of the interactive polls. I bought their - fantastic - latest album on vinyl in the mean time. But I'm not waiting anymore, I'm too impatient... ;)

Orchestre Tout Puissant Marcel Duchamp - Be Patient:




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2023 at 10:13
And here is an absolute favourite of mine, it's long and so I did not mention it before. This was from the second post 80s prog albums that I fell for (recorded in 1989 and 1990) and was my favourite album for some time. I could do shorter U Totem tracks and one which might have a purer or more typical chamber sound, but I adore this.

U Totem - Vagabonds Home (off the self-titled 1990 album of this Los Angeles based band)



Of course if people decide not to listen to the whole thing or at all, that's on them.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2023 at 10:16
This looks all very promising... some really great things I already know and quite a bit I don't know yet. Need to find some listening time. Good project!
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Alamaailman Vasarat - Lentävä mato 

I could've posted almost any one of their tracks, so this is a more or less random selection. 
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Here's another one from me, an Italian band "on behalf" of Lorenzo who's not around, so to speak.

Calibro 35, are an instrumental four member rock outfit from Milan that blends several musical styles whereby they collaborate with numerous other musicians. They have written music for quite a few films. I guess some of you are alrady familiar with the band but I think they fit in well with our playlist, although I belive that a lot that has been suggested here so far is not chamber pop/rock in the real sense incl. this proposal of mine, but rather an interpretation of it by prog fans. :P

Calibro 35: Agogica (Album: Decade, 2018)




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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Orchestre Tout Puissant Marcel Duchamp - Be Patient:
Kees, your link doesn't work for me here. Is it this one?

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