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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2005 at 12:34
...and it's also from 1973!

"Second (1973)

Second is another classic album from Agitation Free, one of the leading lights of the Krautrock movement in Germany. As opposed to Malesch, Second shows some slight change in direction for the band. It becomes readily apparent on the first track that the band's sound is slightly jazzier and the melodies are a little tighter and stonger. The guitar duels between Ulbrich and Diez are utterly gorgeous, and the melodies absolutely shimmer throughout the album. The only misstep is probably Hoenig's "Dialogue & Random", an experimental piece that is just random electronic blips for a couple minutes.

The two-part "Laila" piece is definitely a highlight, featuring a jazzy, almost funky bass groove from Michel Gunter to underpin the exquisite guitar explorations. "In the Silence of the Morning" uses another addictive bass motif to accentuate its hypnotic structure. "Haunted Island" is initially a little cheesy, being that it features some spoken work poetry (with heavy voice alteration), but eventually develops into another excellent track, with their trademark subtle guitar solos and gorgeous keyboard textures. Overall I'd say this album loses some of the mystical feel that Malesch had, due to the abscence of the Arabic percussive textures and melodies, although motifs of that kind do crop up at points. On the whole it seems to take a slightly more conventional path, and the incorporation of jazzy and near-Canterbury like passages is definitely effective. Personally I probably prefer the more exotic feel of Malesch, but Second is definitely a fundamental Krautrock album. - Greg Northrup [April 2001]"

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2005 at 12:50
(1) I can say "amen" to Swinton MCR's objective comments in this discussion.

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When I heard
(circa 1973) "Dark Side of the Moon", my first thought was, "Oh NO, They've gone commercial..." -
I never thought  AT THAT TIME, nor do I think now, that Pink Floyd ever was/is a Progressive Rock band. 
Pink Floyd was, for the most part, considered "Acid Rock" & "Underground". Prior to
"Dark Side of the Moon" they were never played on the radio that I recall, and were not very high profile, at least not like Led Zeppelin, etc.
"Ummagumma" (October 1969) was popular amongst some individuals in the drug culture because of the "trippy" sounds and special effects.

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"Meddle" is better

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2005 at 12:57
""Ummagumma" (October 1969) was popular amongst some individuals in the drug culture because of the "trippy" sounds and special effects."
I remember having a GREAT mushroom trip on Ummagumma studio record (dis2) Fantastic!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2005 at 13:06
Originally posted by Swinton MCR Swinton MCR wrote:

Yeah, I'd consider my prog knowledge sufficient to ascertain the parameters of prog and I'm far more eclectic in my prog taste than you! Mrs ELP/FLOYD and nowt else !

I don't mind being lectured to by someone who listens to it all, but If you listen to ELP everyday then you'll never realise that Spartacus by Triumvirat is as good as anything ELP did - and there's non so blind as them that won't see......

 

Swinton, 

As one who saw Triumvirat in 1975 after seeing ELP in 72 and 73 I can tell you from my experience I would take ELP over Triumvirat every day and twice on Sunday's. Nothing but a cheap copy in my opinion and so blatant about it too. 

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2005 at 13:45
I am not about Live Performance, I'm on about composition and my preference, and the fact that Triumvirat's music is very similar to ELP Thus I would expect ELP fans to like Triumvirat - not to is just childish.....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2005 at 13:48
Originally posted by Swinton MCR Swinton MCR wrote:

Yeah, I'd consider my prog knowledge sufficient to ascertain the parameters of prog and I'm far more eclectic in my prog taste than you! Mrs ELP/FLOYD and nowt else !

I don't mind being lectured to by someone who listens to it all, but If you listen to ELP everyday then you'll never realise that Spartacus by Triumvirat is as good as anything ELP did - and there's non so blind as them that won't see......

Well you tried and got yourself laughed off again.  Triumvirat... what a joke... and evidently I'm not the only one who "can" see that!!!

As yes I do listen to a little bit of ELP everyday to balance out all the crap I listen to, just to enlighten myself... for instance, here's what i've listened to this morning...

Song: Artist: Album

Out Of The Wilderness – Arena - Songs From The Lions Cage

Hope for Us - Shadow Gallery - Tyranny

Dawning of the Day – Starcastle - Fountains of Light

Hole – Anekdoten - From Within

Fallen on Hard Times - Jethro Tull - The Broadsword and the Beast

Our Smile – Fish - Fellini Days

No Failure – Tiles - Fence the Clear

The Poet Liar – Crucible - Tall Tales

Eternal Sinner - Teru's Symphonia - The Gate

È Festa - Premiata Forneria Marconi - Storia Di Un Minu

Big Puzzle - The Flower Kings - Back In The World Of Adventure

 

So remember its very silly to assume things about others....

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2005 at 14:05

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

""Ummagumma" (October 1969) was popular amongst some individuals in the drug culture because of the "trippy" sounds and special effects."
I remember having a GREAT mushroom trip on Ummagumma studio record (dis2) Fantastic!

I didn't get to listen to "Ummagumma" (disc 2) on 'shrooms - but I did several times whilst tripping on LSD.

It all made perfect sense then - and that sense stays with you

What a great album, for those who have truly experienced it

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2005 at 14:06

OOOOOOOOOH (Holding an imaginary Handbag upto my chest)

Still think that Spartacus is better than most ELP (except perhaps the Old Castle and Aqua tarkus)!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2005 at 14:06
Swinton...

1. did the band want to go commercial? does commercialism automatically mean an album sucks?

2. you compare dark side to some completely different albums of the same year. Pink floyd are a strict psychadelic/space prog rock band whilst yes and elp are symphonic prog... so duh they aint meant to be compared cos they are completely different types of prog

3. you seem to care about 4/4 times and how progressive it is, rather than the album itself

4. it is NOT their best studio album, i think the whole reason it was so succesful, and commercial is its impact on tonnes of artists and fans, its accessability and its amazing production. why should people use these as reasons that the album is bad? they surely should add to how good it is.

5. less with the negitivity, it seems as if you are trying to convince people that pink floyd are crap or something, read the reviews on the site and you will realise this can never happen.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2005 at 14:09
feel free to pick that apart by the way.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2005 at 14:21

Originally posted by Swinton MCR Swinton MCR wrote:

I am not about Live Performance, I'm on about composition and my preference, and the fact that Triumvirat's music is very similar to ELP Thus I would expect ELP fans to like Triumvirat - not to is just childish.....

 

Well I base most of my opinion on live performance.  Anyone can go into a studio and make an album, Ashlee Simpson recently comes to mind, but the proof is are they good enough to pull it off live. She can't do it.  Trimuvirat, in my opinion, not only ripped of the composition of ELP but their stage show including how they were set up. On top of that it the stage show was weak the vocals are bad and the keyboard player,while good, has no style of his own.  What you suggest is like saying well this comedy is just like that succesful comedy you are childish if you don't like it.  But the fact remains is it ain't funny! I have listened to Trimuvirat both studio and live and find them lacking.

Again, Swinton, in my opinion which is informed and certainly not childish, Trimuvirat is sub par and I will choose ELP everytime.  Expecting others to conform to your opinion just because you think they should is childish

 

Hey I expect my boses to have the opinion I deserve a raise everyday but are they childesh not to think that way?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2005 at 14:25
All 5 points are valid - But Iv'e heard it said that DSOTM was the finest prog album of 1973 - I would dispute that - I am a bit negative towards Floyd - I always prefered Genesis and Yes. Floyd are not bad at what they do but they seem to be "Larged-up" by the same people who denigrated "Tales from Topographic Oceans"...thats what always pizzed me off !
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2005 at 14:30

Garion - Yeah alright - Triumvirat are sh*t, I'll bin it along with my Genesis/Yes CD's, nah I'll tell you what - I'll stick to my OPINION and you to yours.

(puts fingers in ears and shouts "nar nar nar nar") till nasty Garion goes away..."We hates him"...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2005 at 14:31
Originally posted by Swinton MCR Swinton MCR wrote:

Garion - Yeah alright - Triumvirat are sh*t, I'll bin it along with my Genesis/Yes CD's, nah I'll tell you what - I'll stick to my OPINION and you to yours.

(puts fingers in ears and shouts "nar nar nar nar") till nasty Garion goes away..."We hates him"...

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2005 at 14:34
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Originally posted by Swinton MCR Swinton MCR wrote:

However in 1973 - we have "Selling England by the Pound" and "Tales from Topographic Oceans" and even "Brain Salad Surgery" - these are all superior Progressive rock albums - the Yes/Genesis efforts are at least 50 times better....but not if you like "pop"....

Both Tales and Brain Salad are hugely inferior and different albums.

"Selling England" is a very different album, but great.

DSOTM is one of the greatest albums of all time - no myth to debunk, just ears to ungunk.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2005 at 14:42

Originally posted by Swinton MCR Swinton MCR wrote:

All 5 points are valid - But Iv'e heard it said that DSOTM was the finest prog album of 1973 - I would dispute that - I am a bit negative towards Floyd - I always prefered Genesis and Yes. Floyd are not bad at what they do but they seem to be "Larged-up" by the same people who denigrated "Tales from Topographic Oceans"...thats what always pizzed me off !

I prefer Yes to Pink Floyd, but I'd rather watch Man City than listen to TFTO !LOL



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2005 at 14:45
Originally posted by Swinton MCR Swinton MCR wrote:

All 5 points are valid - But Iv'e heard it said that DSOTM was the finest prog album of 1973 - I would dispute that - I am a bit negative towards Floyd - I always prefered Genesis and Yes. Floyd are not bad at what they do but they seem to be "Larged-up" by the same people who denigrated "Tales from Topographic Oceans"...thats what always pizzed me off !


its fine to be negative towards floyd, some of your reasons for disliking them are a bit weird but you did give em a good try. its fine to prefer other bands too.

but remember, it aint just one of the best albums of 1973, but one of the best albums EVER TO BE MADE!!! muh ha ha ha ha

thats something you'll always have to live with, unless you manage to destroy every copy of DSOTM and erase everyones memories of that album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2005 at 14:50

That is just plain silly - I can't see why any person who likes Yes can't appreciate TFTO - I loved it on first hearing it (about 1977) - and it's grown on me because I never loved side 3 as much as the rest but now I do.

Anyway the good news is that United V Exeter is on Terrestial telly and I can watch it (I binned sky because my kids were getting square eyes and their school work was suffering)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2005 at 15:02

Well I love TFTO... but I like BSS so much better... and Pink Floyd... they are wonderful... YOu guys really complain way to much... and prefer your own opinions over the actual music...

However, Swinton... you look good with that purse...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2005 at 15:04
Originally posted by Swinton MCR Swinton MCR wrote:

That is just plain silly - I can't see why any person who likes Yes can't appreciate TFTO - I loved it on first hearing it (about 1977) - and it's grown on me because I never loved side 3 as much as the rest but now I do.

Why is it silly? I DONT Censored LIKE IT OK?
Apart from the fact that I've been been buying Prog Records since 1972 - think I am perfectly qualified to discuss what i do and dont like......

Originally posted by Swinton MCR Swinton MCR wrote:

Anyway the good news is that United V Exeter is on Terrestial telly and I can watch it

Well we can agree on one thing-that Scouse Git Syzygy and Gunner-lover Arcer can both CensoredCensored then  andCensoredCensoredCensoredPig

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