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mystic fred 
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 Posted: August 09 2007 at 03:13 |
Sgt Pepper achieved the main goal 99% of musicians wish to achieve - it was technically groundbreaking, musically innovative and its appeal reached out to millions of people all over the world whether they were into classical, reggae or any kind of musical genre or nationality - who else has managed that - DSOTM could be another good example, or the "White" album that followed? That had many detractors, but "Pepper" was lauded by all and sundry as totally groundbreaking, the only downside was that it also crossed generations - my parents liked it!
As for being overrated amongst other Beatle music from the same period, Pepper wouldn't have been made without Revolver, and much on the MMT album was written around the same time but not originally intended for one album; "Walrus" was an extremely outstanding song amongst others written specifically for the MMT TV special and "Fool on the Hill" was written during the Pepper sessions, "Hello Goodbye" "Strawberry Fields" and "All you need is Love" were originally 45 rpm singles, the most popular format at the time and not intended for album inclusion - radically there were no singles released off "Pepper" in the UK at the time, the album was intended to be listened to as a single entity (another band who later adopted this anti -single philosophy permanently was Led Zeppelin).
It is easy to criticise in retrospect - Pepper is not overrated.
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 19:18 |
 mystic fred wrote:
Sgt Pepper achieved the main goal 99% of musicians wish to achieve - it was technically groundbreaking, musically innovative and its appeal reached out to millions of people all over the world
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I shortened it, but this statement is untrue
I doubt 99% of musicians/ bands care about musical innovation, I would say about 90% just want a bit of mainstream success 
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Zargus
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 20:30 |
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Not Overrated.
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micky
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 20:33 |
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only overrated by those who have no knowledge or concept of the history of rock.
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coleio
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Posted: August 10 2007 at 09:07 |
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For christ's sake, the whole Beatles career is overrated.
I've never got the fuss, simple, mundane music. It would take something very special to convince me otherwise.
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Evans
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Posted: August 10 2007 at 12:26 |
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Actually, The Beatles changed how i look at music completely. I used to think that i was always right, and that because i didn't like Sgt. Pepper it was overrated, but one day i got into it (through Abbey Road) and now i love the Beatles. From that day, i have never uttered the word overrated, other than ironically, because that was when i realised that there is no such thing, only music i haven't gotten into yet. Since then, i have also had much easier getting into music i would otherwise have thrown disregarded as crap.
For the record, "Within you without you" is a song i can barely stand, and would be the only reason why it might not actually get 5 stars from me in a review.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: August 10 2007 at 12:32 |
micky wrote:
only overrated by those who have no knowledge or concept of the history of rock. |
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Leningrad
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Posted: August 10 2007 at 12:34 |
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Nah.
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The T
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Posted: August 10 2007 at 15:38 |
micky wrote:
only overrated by those who have no knowledge or concept of the history of rock. |
Just as overrated as those who pretend to have all the answers.... 
Edited by The T - August 10 2007 at 15:39
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Melomaniac
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Posted: August 10 2007 at 16:43 |
In the liner notes of the "Strange Days" album by The Doors (Rhino Reissue), it was written that producer/engineer Bruce Botnick played Sgt. Pepper to the band, and it gave them the idea of using the studio as an instrument in itself rather than only a means to record, and the results speak for themselves.
One can like or dislike Sgt. Pepper, but no one can deny the impact it had when it was released.
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Shakespeare
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Posted: August 10 2007 at 16:47 |
Melomaniac wrote:
One can like or dislike Sgt. Pepper, but no one can deny the impact it had when it was released. |
Tru dat
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Posted: August 10 2007 at 16:48 |
micky wrote:
only overrated by those who have no knowledge or concept of the history of rock.
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Better said, impossible 
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The best you can is good enough...
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Hyperborea
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Posted: August 10 2007 at 19:20 |
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If boring and bland make an album overrated then Sgt Peppers is def way overrated. Not the Beatles at their best, and not all that significant, as they had already done a concept album in Yellow Submarine, or does that heap of crap not count?
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Posted: August 11 2007 at 04:12 |
Hyperborea wrote:
If boring and bland make an album overrated then Sgt Peppers is def way overrated. Not the Beatles at their best, and not all that significant, as they had already done a concept album in Yellow Submarine, or does that heap of crap not count? |
"Not all that significant"? - you obviously haven't read anything about the effect that Sgt Pepper had on the world at the time of it's release. And Yellow Submarine was after Sgt Pepper.
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Posted: August 15 2007 at 12:01 |
When I first started getting seriously into music 20+ years ago, the widely held belief was that Sgt Pepper's was the best album ever. It would regularly top polls of greatest albums.
In the past few years, Revolver seems to have overtaken it.
Personally, I prefer The Rutles.
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Hyperborea
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Posted: August 17 2007 at 21:10 |
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If Joe Bloggs and the Dirt Eaters had realeased Sgt Peppers it would've died a death...unfortunately in their drug fuelled nonsense...the Beatles released it. And hoopla it's great...it is not...it is shear boredom and blandness, one of the Beatles weakest woks. A def up our own arses album...and def not prog....ever.
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T.Rox
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Posted: August 17 2007 at 21:57 |
mystic fred wrote:
...but "Pepper" was lauded by all and sundry as totally groundbreaking, the only downside was that it also crossed generations - my parents liked it! |
I would like to think this is a tongue-in-cheek comment, Mystic Fred 
One of the great things to me is when my kids "discover" some artist or piece of music outside of my home and when they tell me about it I just happen to pull it out of the collection that is right under their noses! One day they will start to trawl through what I have just to see what is there 
On the subject of kids, I had a great experience taking my two eldest boys to see Heaven And Hell (aka Black Sabbath) in concert here in Perth, Western Australia the other week. All three of us got into the concert ... Iommi & Dio were in fine form ... we were all blown away by the drum solo ... and we all hated Down, the support act ... all in all a pretty good night of generation gap bridging
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"Without prog, life would be a mistake."
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micky
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Posted: August 17 2007 at 22:01 |
T.Rox wrote:
mystic fred wrote:
...but "Pepper" was lauded by all and sundry as totally groundbreaking, the only downside was that it also crossed generations - my parents liked it! |
I would like to think this is a tongue-in-cheek comment, Mystic Fred
One of the great things to me is when my kids "discover" some artist or piece of music outside of my home and when they tell me about it I just happen to pull it out of the collection that is right under their noses! One day they will start to trawl through what I have just to see what is there
On the subject of kids, I had a great experience taking my two eldest boys to see Heaven And Hell (aka Black Sabbath) in concert here in Perth, Western Australia the other week. All three of us got into the concert ... Iommi & Dio were in fine form ... we were all blown away by the drum solo ... and we all hated Down, the support act ... all in all a pretty good night of generation gap bridging |
now that is giving the kids a good musical education hahahha.
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meinmatrix
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Posted: August 18 2007 at 05:49 |
mystic fred wrote:
Sgt Pepper achieved the main goal 99% of musicians wish to achieve - it was technically groundbreaking, musically innovative and its appeal reached out to millions of people all over the world whether they were into classical, reggae or any kind of musical genre or nationality - who else has managed that - DSOTM could be another good example, or the "White" album that followed? That had many detractors, but "Pepper" was lauded by all and sundry as totally groundbreaking, the only downside was that it also crossed generations - my parents liked it!
As for being overrated amongst other Beatle music from the same period, Pepper wouldn't have been made without Revolver, and much on the MMT album was written around the same time but not originally intended for one album; "Walrus" was an extremely outstanding song amongst others written specifically for the MMT TV special and "Fool on the Hill" was written during the Pepper sessions, "Hello Goodbye" "Strawberry Fields" and "All you need is Love" were originally 45 rpm singles, the most popular format at the time and not intended for album inclusion - radically there were no singles released off "Pepper" in the UK at the time, the album was intended to be listened to as a single entity (another band who later adopted this anti -single philosophy permanently was Led Zeppelin).
It is easy to criticise in retrospect - Pepper is not overrated.
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Excatly my thoughts and a great introduction to the background of this 1967 release. Thank you!
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akin
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Posted: August 18 2007 at 15:38 |
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I was about to express my opinion, but Ivanīs statement already summarizes it. It was not a person or a small group that decided that Sgt. Peppers was groundbreaking. It was naturally groundbreaking, like you or not the album. And you can confirm this because it is part of the well-recorded history. You can do a detailed search and learned how it was important at different places and times.
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