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JayDee
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: September 07 2005 Location: Elysian Fields Status: Offline Points: 10063 |
Posted: August 11 2008 at 08:55 | |||
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iguana
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 01 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 825 |
Posted: August 11 2008 at 09:55 | |||
even the most open minded and in musical taste most versatile and best established
cannot be here without having a major question mark above band's names, be it a commercially successful, “prog-related“ (your term, not mine), a stadium rock or just a good rock’nroll act. which is why i would like to put in a vote for QUEEN. this has nothing to do with their importance as a band. and while we're at it – DOORS and SANTANA are an iffy issue for me, too. so what! |
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progressive rock and rural tranquility don't match. true or false?
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Yorkie X
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 04 2007 Status: Offline Points: 1049 |
Posted: August 11 2008 at 10:29 | |||
retracted my comment after thinking about it ... dont read this its pointless and a waste of your time
Edited by Yorkie X - August 11 2008 at 11:48 |
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LeInsomniac
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 22 2006 Location: Portugal Status: Offline Points: 315 |
Posted: August 11 2008 at 11:10 | |||
Some groups don't need to be here, Ill give some examples: Muse, Radiohead, Queen, Talk Talk, Iron Maiden, 10 CC, and Black Sabbath, but thats just my opinion; even David Bowie which I ove shouldnt be here, and its not because of comercial sucess, its mainly because of they're lack of (if we may call it that) progressiveness in the composition in their works;
And the whole idea of Proto-Prog and Prog-Related may be a cute idea to make people learn of some theories of pseudo-origins of other certain prog-rock groups, well if thats so, lets put proto-jazz or something, cause, it was jazz that eventually led to the birth of rock and blues. Well, let the debate that won't get anywhere...continue. |
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MikeEnRegalia
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 20655 |
Posted: August 11 2008 at 11:17 | |||
It's quite depressing to see how many votes this poll is getting.
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dzx
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 23 2008 Location: france Status: Offline Points: 117 |
Posted: August 11 2008 at 11:23 | |||
From being open minded to its definitions of 'prog' this site has become THE resource on the web for discovering good music with reviews that for the most part can be relied upon as being subjective and informative. If you dont believe me visit some of the metal sites which review as a percentage where you find idiots rating albums with every song as 100 cause they like it and others at 0 cause they dont.
Sabbath not prog? give me a break
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was that just an Am augmented minor 9th i heard? nice!
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dzx
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 23 2008 Location: france Status: Offline Points: 117 |
Posted: August 11 2008 at 11:40 | |||
King Crimson
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was that just an Am augmented minor 9th i heard? nice!
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WinterLight
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 09 2008 Status: Offline Points: 424 |
Posted: August 11 2008 at 11:46 | |||
Something to consider: one need not enjoy or approve of every band featured in the Archives. In fact, you do have the option of not liking every artist sanctioned as "Prog."
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Roj
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 02 2008 Location: Manchester, UK Status: Offline Points: 3126 |
Posted: August 11 2008 at 12:10 | |||
^ Exactly Winterlight. If you don't like a group, don't read about them, that's what I say. No vote on this poll from me.
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Syzygy
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 16 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 7003 |
Posted: August 11 2008 at 12:12 | |||
Spot on as always, Erik !
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
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Logan
Forum & Site Admin Group Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 33024 |
Posted: August 11 2008 at 12:24 | |||
We're all different. Even if I don't like a group I may still want to read about it as I'm interested in things outside of my tastes, and one may like a group that one still doesn't think appropriate to its category, or even to PA. I'm quite inclusive -- provided I think a band/ artist has been categorised reasonably well, and have hoped to see progressive archives progress into more progressive music (even if not really Prog) -- of course this may require new "progreessive" categories for reasonable placement. There are some bands/ artists whose category I would change (and some I'd move to prog-related if it were up to me), but I wouldn't want to remove bands from the archives --a lot of work and preparation has gone into the additions (from evaluation, discussing and even debating the merits/ category, to preparing the addition). It would be unfair on the people who went to all that work to just remove an addition. Each proper addition, ones that follow the guidelines, involves considerable work. |
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Just a music fan passing through trying to fill some void. Various music I am into now: a youtube playlist
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dzx
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 23 2008 Location: france Status: Offline Points: 117 |
Posted: August 11 2008 at 12:26 | |||
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was that just an Am augmented minor 9th i heard? nice!
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dzx
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 23 2008 Location: france Status: Offline Points: 117 |
Posted: August 11 2008 at 12:29 | |||
At the risk of being pertinent I really think Tori Amos should be included as shes a lot more prog than a lot of artists here and for me is a real omission
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was that just an Am augmented minor 9th i heard? nice!
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Roj
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 02 2008 Location: Manchester, UK Status: Offline Points: 3126 |
Posted: August 11 2008 at 12:36 | |||
^ Personally, I DO read about other bands, whether I like them or not. What I am saying is that if a band is not considered prog by a section of our posters this does not merit a band's exclusion. If you feel that strongly, just leave it alone, don't bother reading.
This is an amazing website and gives me an immense amount of enjoyment, exchanging news and views with likeminded proggies. I've learnt so much from this site, and I don't know how I managed without it.
You won't find any negativity from me, sorry if my last post came across differently
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Logan
Forum & Site Admin Group Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 33024 |
Posted: August 11 2008 at 12:38 | |||
I think I lent support to Tori Amos before when she was suggested for inclusion -- hmm, I seem to remember that it was suggested that she, along with female artists such as Bjork, Laurie Anderson and Kate Bush, be included in a new category -- Chick Prog. Not PC I know -- don't shoot the messenger. |
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Just a music fan passing through trying to fill some void. Various music I am into now: a youtube playlist
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dzx
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 23 2008 Location: france Status: Offline Points: 117 |
Posted: August 11 2008 at 12:43 | |||
it didnt come across differently and I agree with your views wholeheartedly. This site is a pleasure of discovery and diverseness
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was that just an Am augmented minor 9th i heard? nice!
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Logan
Forum & Site Admin Group Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 33024 |
Posted: August 11 2008 at 12:57 | |||
I wanted to go on a tangent since I've seen it said by a number of people that if you don't like a band, ignore it (which wouldn't work for me, because I want to gain more general knowledge -- though this is just a hobby for me and isn't like, say when I was in film studies which required me to watch and learn about films that I didn't inherently enjoy). For passionate music lovers, and people who are passionate about this site's direction, as well people who just like to debate merits as well as those who actually evaluate music for the site, it's not surprising that some wish to read and post their opinions about merits. Again, we're all different. I find such discussion stimulating. Controversy is stimulating. My opinions are expressed in my post before, but I respect that others feel and wish to express themselves differently. I feel strongly, and get worked up, about wars, yet I still follow it. I would rather people discuss such issues in a less passionate and more rational way, but, hey that's me. Anyway, this topic also relates to the site's direction, how inclusive should PA be? Ultimately that's up to the owners, but those who care about the site will have an opinion. And I generally find exchanges between not so like-minded proggies more interesting (must admit that I prefer getting involved in polite discussion than heated debate as I'm pretty casual in life). Conflict is at the root of drama, and drama can be very entertaining. |
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Just a music fan passing through trying to fill some void. Various music I am into now: a youtube playlist
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dzx
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 23 2008 Location: france Status: Offline Points: 117 |
Posted: August 11 2008 at 13:04 | |||
Forgot about Bjork. If there ever was an experimental artist she is the epitome, ever changing, ever progressing!
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was that just an Am augmented minor 9th i heard? nice!
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unclemeat69
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 14 2007 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 350 |
Posted: August 11 2008 at 13:17 | |||
leave 'em all in here, I would say, as the acts I know (like Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Kate Bush, the Beatles etc.)all did at the very least have some progressive tendencies at some point, with the Beatles being among those showing the way to go.
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Follow your bliss
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Norbert
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 20 2005 Location: Hungary Status: Offline Points: 2506 |
Posted: August 11 2008 at 13:37 | |||
For instance Radiohead's Kid A is a commercial album?
I have no issues with this bands in the Archives, they are not Gentle Giant, but have some great music, with some proggy tendencies. |
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