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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2008 at 04:48
If any of them are proggy at all, which they might not be; it'd be St. Anger.

On St. Anger they did what they wanted, pushed what was expected of them, changed their whole sound, and took a diffrent approach to even creating an album.... what's more prog than that.

Just because a bunch of terrible journalists and easily convinced teenagers decided the album was rubbish because of the snare sound and lack of solos, doesn't mean the album should ever have been written off by intelligent people.

I realise the question was more 'what albums do Dream Theater et al want to sound like,' and not 'which album is most progressive,' but thats just how I feel.

HUGELY underrated St Anger.

The least influential to prog metal bands- album would probably be Reload or indeed St. Anger, or Death Magnetic because its too new.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2008 at 05:25
Originally posted by Gentlegiantprog Gentlegiantprog wrote:

If any of them are proggy at all, which they might not be; it'd be St. Anger.

On St. Anger they did what they wanted, pushed what was expected of them, changed their whole sound, and took a diffrent approach to even creating an album.... what's more prog than that.

Just because a bunch of terrible journalists and easily convinced teenagers decided the album was rubbish because of the snare sound and lack of solos, doesn't mean the album should ever have been written off by intelligent people.



Those incredibly embarrassing lyrics are enough to write the album off by every fairly intelligent person . Metallica were just four rich, old clueless guys desperately looking for the sound they thought was right for the kids. So they ended up with a revolting coctail containing lots of emo and little nu-metal, some thrash etc...Not pushing anything, and no artistic integrity whatsoever.

Sound to me like they made Death Magnetic with the same approach. Its just a little more successful.

Btw: reviews on St. Anger's were mostly positive/good when the album was new.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2008 at 10:55
The same question comes up that I've asked so many others at different times. What is any more embarrassing, stupid, cliche'...whatever negative I ever hear, about SA lyrics than any of their other lyrics? Master of Puppets has some of the most banal and obnoxious lyrics I've ever heard, and its considered their masterpiece.

And enough with the rudeness toward those of us who don't agree with you SA mobbers.  There are plenty of us "fairly intelligent persons" who have a different view of the album than you.  It does nothing to solidify your position. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2008 at 11:37
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2008 at 23:11
Well, this should be moved to the prog-related section, not here...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2008 at 04:57
Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:



And enough with the rudeness toward those of us who don't agree with you SA mobbers.  There are plenty of us "fairly intelligent persons" who have a different view of the album than you.  It does nothing to solidify your position. 


I'm not rude towards anyone but Metallica and their lyrics. I just came up with one reason (based on the post I quoted) I consider good enough to write St. Anger off. Metallica's lyrics have never been memorable, but I'm (and many others it seems) only embarrassed by St. Anger's therapy/self help books-clichés.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2008 at 05:23
None of the first 4 albums, that's for sure... That's progressive in the true sense of the world.
But after that, I don't really think any of their albums have very much to do with prog. Keep in mind how different the music scene was in 83-88. In my eyes, innovation was the most "proggy" feature of Metallica, and everything after "Justice" pales in comparison in that respect.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2008 at 14:17
Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:



And enough with the rudeness toward those of us who don't agree with you SA mobbers.  There are plenty of us "fairly intelligent persons" who have a different view of the album than you.  It does nothing to solidify your position. 


I'm not rude towards anyone but Metallica and their lyrics. I just came up with one reason (based on the post I quoted) I consider good enough to write St. Anger off. Metallica's lyrics have never been memorable, but I'm (and many others it seems) only embarrassed by St. Anger's therapy/self help books-clichés.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2008 at 16:07
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 13 2008 at 22:26
The only thing prog about Metallica is how Lars' sullen attitude has "progressed" . I always found this band somewhat "amusing" ..... but progressive? maybe for some in metalland  but certainly way less than Maiden , par exemple.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2008 at 06:30
Are there really people who don't think Metallica have any relation to Prog?
 
I find it impossible to believe - unless, of course, they hadn't actually listened to Metallica.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2008 at 06:45
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2008 at 13:23
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Are there really people who don't think Metallica have any relation to Prog?
 
I find it impossible to believe - unless, of course, they hadn't actually listened to Metallica.


Did you know there are also people who think Linkin Park and Mudvayne are prog?!?!?! Shocked

People have all kinds of crazy views, best not to get too riled-up about it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 18 2008 at 10:44
Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

What exactly is the problem with St. Anger?  Quite frankly its the first interesting album since Master of Puppets.   
I could talk to you for hours about what's wrong with St Anger... (No guitar solos, bad recording quality, no prog realtion, not exactly stellar songwriting, bad singing, pointless cursing, etc., etc.)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 18 2008 at 17:09
Originally posted by Avantgardehead Avantgardehead wrote:

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Are there really people who don't think Metallica have any relation to Prog?
 
I find it impossible to believe - unless, of course, they hadn't actually listened to Metallica.


Did you know there are also people who think Linkin Park and Mudvayne are prog?!?!?! Shocked

People have all kinds of crazy views, best not to get too riled-up about it.
 
Okay I can see maybe Mudvayne, but Linkin Park? How do you swing that?
 
But along with Avantgardehead, I totally agree with him. Now, anyone who thinks that Metallica had listened to much Yes or Gentle Giant is probably a bit strange. But the thing is, they totally did things that metal bands of the era weren't doing. That is true progression, and the fact that they're not influenced by the original prog bands makes it a thousand times more progressive than that.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2008 at 08:44
Black Album, Load or Reload.
St. Anger at least has some rather long songs. Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2008 at 09:46
I'll go with the "Black Album", which is, in my very humble opinion, one of the most boring albums ever recorded (I'm tempted to use the 'O' word too, but I'll refrain from doing soLOL). It is flat, monotonous, and utterly unoriginal.... What a sharp contrast with its predecessor! Cry
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2008 at 10:27
hahahha...  what numbnut voted for AJFA... RtL...  MoP...   these polls crack me up...

for me... haven't heard anything after the Black Album...  which I thought was a sh*t album.  So giving my vote to that... but probably would have gone elsewhere if they hadn't lost me completely
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2008 at 13:02
metallica have never been, at this moment aren't and in future never will be prog, or prog related. the fact certain prog metal bands drew inspiration from metallica among others doesn't change that fact. syd barrett drew certain inspiration from nursery rhymes and that doesn't make nursery rhymes a'la humpty dumpty or twinkle twinkle little star prog.

the fact some of you like to think of metallica as prog because you like them for reasons which are only clear to you doesn't make metallica nor prog nor prog related. i love iron maiden but i am clear about the fact that they don't have any relations with prog whatsoever.

metallica have made 4 classic albums but sadly they chose to stop making music after they released ..and justice for all
as much as every other metalhead i'd love for metallica to come out of retirement but after 20 years of abstence from music industry i think its safe to assume its not gonna happen.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2008 at 13:03
Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

I'll go with the "Black Album", which is, in my very humble opinion, one of the most boring albums ever recorded (I'm tempted to use the 'O' word too, but I'll refrain from doing soLOL). It is flat, monotonous, and utterly unoriginal.... What a sharp contrast with its predecessor! Cry

What? It is an overrated album in my opinion as well. No need to be afraid to say it.Wink
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