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StyLaZyn 
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Joined: November 22 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4079 |
 Posted: June 24 2009 at 13:35 |
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The hype over BC&SL is beyond belief. I don't see it as being a good release. I did give it 3.5 stars in my review. Octavarium was a much better release.
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The T
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: June 24 2009 at 14:25 |
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yet you have contributed to it by posting several times in every single thread about the album, my good StyLaZyn...
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heyitsthatguy
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Joined: April 17 2006 Location: Washington Hgts Status: Offline Points: 10094 |
Posted: June 24 2009 at 14:31 |
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best album since Six Degrees
fight me I dare you |
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J-Man
Prog Reviewer 
Joined: August 07 2008 Location: Philadelphia,PA Status: Offline Points: 7826 |
Posted: June 24 2009 at 14:45 |
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Right now I find it very good, not DT's best, but good. I'll need to listen to it a few more times before I can write a review. I need to give it a fair amount of time to grow on me.
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J-Man
Prog Reviewer
Joined: August 07 2008 Location: Philadelphia,PA Status: Offline Points: 7826 |
Posted: June 24 2009 at 14:49 |
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DT is probably the most popular modern day prog band, so yes there will be a few topics about them.  About Octavarium, I certainly agree it's much better in my review i gave it 5 stars. http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=179319 |
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metalrob4662
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Joined: May 17 2008 Location: New York Status: Offline Points: 11 |
Posted: June 24 2009 at 14:56 |
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 I'm enjoying the entire album..now it's no "Image & Words" or "Awake", but a very good album , I like it better than the last one.
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StyLaZyn
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Joined: November 22 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4079 |
Posted: June 24 2009 at 15:00 |
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By god...you are right! Oh the folly! Actually, I just like to beat up on DT. They're w**kers.
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TheCaptain
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Joined: January 04 2009 Location: Ohio, USA Status: Offline Points: 1335 |
Posted: June 24 2009 at 15:10 |
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After first listen I was pretty ho hum about the first 4 tracks. The Best of Times was pretty good and The County of Tuscany was excellent. Easily one of my favorite DT songs and that's just on first listen. A Right of Passage reminds me a lot of the single from Systematic Chaos (which I detested and haven't listened to more than once).
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Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal.
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Dalezilla
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VIP Member Joined: July 28 2005 Status: Offline Points: 5113 |
Posted: June 24 2009 at 15:11 |
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I was going to say the exact same thing. |
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KingCrimson250
Forum Senior Member
Joined: October 29 2008 Status: Offline Points: 573 |
Posted: June 24 2009 at 15:17 |
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There, now it's a Haiku As for the album itself, I haven't heard it. Honestly I've just lost confidence in DT as a result of the last few albums, and while I've heard good things about BC&SL, I'm not really convinced why I should pick up an album that's "probably good" when there are still so many albums I need to get that are "definate masterpieces." Maybe if I get it as a gift or if someone gets me a gift certificate that's only valid when used to purchase Dream Theater albums made in the last 12 months. I'm sure I wouldn't hate the album, I just can't justify spending money on it at this point. Edited by KingCrimson250 - June 24 2009 at 15:20 |
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Foxtrottresspass
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Joined: August 08 2008 Status: Offline Points: 27 |
Posted: June 24 2009 at 17:44 |
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First impressions...I like it! Even though it doesn’t really stretch the horizon, it is more complete than some of Europe’s leading prog bands latest efforts. I am not left wanting for more, other than the deeper lyrics they used to write. The cover songs add to the volume and completeness of the package. Haven’t made it to the instrumental CD yet, but the instrumentation gets more attention on this CD, so I am sure it will be good. A Nightmare to Remember reminds me so much of the instrumentation on Kansas – Leftoverture, especially Release the Beavers/Gnat Attack, with lyrics that remind me of the car crash from Human Equation. Rite of Passage – Possibly designed to take advantage of the hoopla over the Da Vinci Code and it’s follow up Angles and Demons. Very good music, but the lyrics don’t inspire further investigation. Wither – One of the best lyrical songs on the album. The lyrics match the music almost perfectly. Sounds like this one might belong well on Awake – the kind of thing I really like. Good song development and the instrumentation really stand out. La Brie’s voice really stands out like it should and used to. The Shattered Fortress – The music is very good, but the lyrics and screaming do nothing for me anymore. The screaming was cool when I first heard them 10 or 15 years ago. Now it sounds like a plea for us to keep listening. The Best of Times – Starts out like Images and Words – beautiful piano. “Those summer days and West Coast dreams” “The record shops” – you know I like those lines! Wonderful tribute to Mike’s father. Lots of emotion and one of the most powerful songs on the album IMHO. The Count of Tuscany – Great music, but the story leaves me flat. The Queen covers really stand out along with Zebra’s. Really respect them for trying Lark’s Tongue. That one must be very difficult to play.
Maybe the lack of strong lyrics was another reason they did the instrumental CD. These guys are still some of NY’s finest studio musicians, but as a creative force with innovation I’m not sure any more.
A friend once said to me in the 90s that “someday they’ll make a great cover band”, just to irritate me, since she knew I was a fan. Instead I just laughed, cause they were at the top of their game. I’m not laughing any more. |
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TheLastBaron
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Joined: April 07 2009 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 206 |
Posted: June 25 2009 at 00:50 |
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This is my second time listening to it and i enjoy it. Its not perfect but it has its moments and there are a few things I would like to commment on in regard to this album and the band. First off I did not have huge expectations. When it comes to music by bands that I like I tend to not build up hopes for futures releases for several reasons.
1. No current album will never be as good as your favorite album by that band. My favorite DT albums are Awake, Images and Words and Scenes from Memory. The first two are great IMO because at that time DT was just getting started. They were a fresh young bunch out of music school with new ideas, passion, focus, a different record label and different members. Now I like Jordan Rudess but Kevin Moore is my prefered keyboardist.
2. Its the 10th album. Think of any band that you like. Comparing there latest work to thier earliest efforts isn't one hundred percent logical. Bands change, thier styles, influences, sound and direction inevitably will change and its not always for the worst. And how many bands that have started in the last 20 years are still around?
I enjoy the edge on this album. I'm a metal fan so I don't mind the heavier direction. The album still has great prog trademarks. The keyboards build a nice atmosphere that adds to the guitar and the tempos and time signatures change. Count of Tuscany and The Best of Times have some rush and floyd influences and thats cool IMO.
Also keep the following in mind
1.Theres a lot of worse music out there and no genre, even our mighty prog is 100% gold. Every genre has its ups and downs. Don't get all mad if this a down in your mind, it happens to every band and every genre
2. There are plenty of other good prog bands old and new. DT has a solid body of work, some misses but overall they've built a huge fanbase because they've worked there asses off for a long time and have created a unique sound. Yet so have numerous other prog bands, give others a listen.
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" Men are not prisoners of fate, but prisoners of their own minds." - FDR
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MovingPictures07
Prog Reviewer
Joined: January 09 2008 Location: Beasty Heart Status: Offline Points: 32181 |
Posted: June 25 2009 at 01:30 |
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I absolutely love it.
My 3rd favorite DT album, behind SFAM and 6D. |
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Petrovsk Mizinski
Prog Reviewer
Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210 |
Posted: June 25 2009 at 05:04 |
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This album was everything I expected it to be.
It's Dream Theater doing "business as usual", uninspired and just a record that seems like it was made just to fulfill their record label contract. And who can blame them for not taking a risk? They are like many people who have families to feed. But I guess even so, it'd be cooler if their families were starving and the records kicked ass lol. Yeah, it has some decent guitar solos, but so has every Dream Theater record thus so far. Sorry, but I don't sit through entire songs that suck to listen to a few good solos. Yeah, the playing is competent, perhaps some of the compositions are too, but they've done it before. I don't necessarily agree with this statement, but I would imagine some people would agree with this bit of text taken from some dude's post at Ultimatemetal.com "its a lot better than systematic chaos but im pretty sure if they sat around a room and recorded random conversations it would be better too" Lol. Ah well folks, if I must be honest, do I really care a busting lot that it sucks? Nah, not really, because there is a crap ton of other metal bands out there continuing to put out inspired sounding records. Dream Theater can join Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer and countless other metal bands in the "tired" camp. Edited by Petrovsk Mizinski - June 25 2009 at 05:06 |
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Mr ProgFreak
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Joined: November 08 2008 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 5195 |
Posted: June 25 2009 at 05:45 |
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^ as I said a number of times before: Maybe a band should not be bashed for sounding tired on their 10th record. Maybe they should ... but in any case it's not fair to expect it to sound like they were 20 years old. Imagine how Between the Buried and Me will sound on their 10th record (or after their 25th anniversary).
Of course that does not make the album any better for you, I'm aware of that. You're also free to say that it sucks (especially compared to the old ones) ... we just differ in that you seem to hold a grudge against them for not living up to your expectations of what they *could* achieve, while I am content with what they managed to achieve. Edited by Mr ProgFreak - June 25 2009 at 07:02 |
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StyLaZyn
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Joined: November 22 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4079 |
Posted: June 25 2009 at 07:16 |
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I wouldn't say tired. I'd say they stopped caring about what they write. It's cut and paste DT. No breakthroughs, nothing really new. But worst of all, nothing memorable.
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Mr ProgFreak
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Joined: November 08 2008 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 5195 |
Posted: June 25 2009 at 09:24 |
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^ now I would object to "nothing memorable" ... in fact, they managed to write quite a few catchy melodies.
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J-Man
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Joined: August 07 2008 Location: Philadelphia,PA Status: Offline Points: 7826 |
Posted: June 25 2009 at 09:32 |
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I gave it 5 listens yesterday (yes, 5 I'm not kidding), and it certainly grew on me. At first I thought it was okay, but now I find it incredible. Definitely better than Systematic Chaos and in my top 3 or 4 DT albums. This is what the list probably looks like.
1. Scenes From A Memory 2. Octavarium 3. BC&SL or Images and Words (whichever I've listened to last) |
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TGM: Orb
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Joined: October 21 2007 Location: n/a Status: Offline Points: 8052 |
Posted: June 25 2009 at 09:48 |
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Heard it once, and it was better than expected. Most of the songs had something I particularly disliked or liked, I can remember a couple of the melodies, which isn't too bad. I mean, it's not Gabrielodic, but it wasn't a bad album.
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Moatilliatta
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Joined: December 01 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3083 |
Posted: June 25 2009 at 11:31 |
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I would hope that BTBAM and the other leading bands today go out with dignity. When they run out of ideas is when they would quit. And since they're not nearly as popular as DT, they probably won't even have the money aspect to consider.
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