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Posted: September 04 2014 at 05:07
Kazza3 wrote:
Annie's voice is probably better, but I prefer Jon. Her accent and some annoying quality to her voice puts me off too much. A trip to the fair, but nobody was thar.
That's one of her best moments. I wonder what quality you are referring to.
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Posted: September 04 2014 at 06:26
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Kazza3 wrote:
Annie's voice is probably better, but I prefer Jon. Her accent and some annoying quality to her voice puts me off too much. A trip to the fair, but nobody was thar.
That's one of her best moments. I wonder what quality you are referring to.
I arranged my post poorly, that lyric quote is more to do with her accent. I'm not sure how to describe the quality I find irritating.
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Posted: September 04 2014 at 06:58
Kazza3 wrote:
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Kazza3 wrote:
Annie's voice is probably better, but I prefer Jon. Her accent and some annoying quality to her voice puts me off too much. A trip to the fair, but nobody was thar.<div id="UMS_TOOLTIP" style=": ; cursor: pointer; : 2147483647; top: -100000px; left: -100000px; : transparent;">
That's one of her best moments. I wonder what quality you are referring to.
I arranged my post poorly, that lyric quote is more to do with her accent. I'm not sure how to describe the quality I find irritating.
The bum notes?
Haslam has a beautiful voice in my opinion, but she's not a stranger to hitting the ocassional wrong note. She does it quite a lot in At the Harbour.
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Posted: September 05 2014 at 20:49
I don't know that there's any archetypal symph prog voice as such because Lake, Anderson, Gabriel, Latimer all sound so different from each other. So it would be hard to tell whose voice between the two suits symph prog better.
However, Annie's singing evokes Anderson's at times, specifically where the song required it. It is particularly strong in this track:
It is again noticeable in the verse of Jekyll and Hyde.
I don't know if Jon would be able to do vice versa though...like say evoke the kind of bold, emphatic singing Annie came up with on Touching Once. In fact I am not sure if he can sing in any style other than the one he's used on Yes and he sings only in one style on Yes. He seems to be a far less versatile vocalist. By that token alone, Annie would fit the sound of many more bands than Jon. Easy vote for Annie Haslam.
I do love Morrison but his voice is not meant for symph prog.
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Posted: September 05 2014 at 20:55
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Kazza3 wrote:
Annie's voice is probably better, but I prefer Jon. Her accent and some annoying quality to her voice puts me off too much. A trip to the fair, but nobody was thar.
That's one of her best moments. I wonder what quality you are referring to.
I would partly agree with Blacksword there. She goes for more legato than usual on that song and she pulls it off more through her expression and the sheer power she can produce (like in the aaaaa vocalised portions) rather than perfect execution. Having said that, she actually sang it a lot better, after all these years, in the 2011 DVD, especially the last verse.
But I don't think Annie hits any more bum notes than any other prog singer or any other rock singer as such. In fact, there's not one off key note in the entire 1976 concert that I have on DVD so I would rule out any chronic intonation issues. It's just a lot more noticeable because she produces such pure tones. It's almost like hitting the keys of a piano so, obviously, even the slightest misstep is very jarring.
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Posted: September 05 2014 at 21:27
rogerthat wrote:
I don't know that there's any archetypal symph prog voice as such because Lake, Anderson, Gabriel, Latimer all sound so different from each other. So it would be hard to tell whose voice between the two suits symph prog better. However, Annie's singing evokes Anderson's at times, specifically where the song required it. It is particularly strong in this track:It is again noticeable in the verse of Jekyll and Hyde.I don't know if Jon would be able to do vice versa though...like say evoke the kind of bold, emphatic singing Annie came up with on Touching Once. In fact I am not sure if he can sing in any style other than the one he's used on Yes and he sings only in one style on Yes. He seems to be a far less versatile vocalist. By that token alone, Annie would fit the sound of many more bands than Jon. Easy vote for Annie Haslam.I do love Morrison but his voice is not meant for symph prog.
I guess Jim Morrison would have done wonderfully with Camel songs. However, even though Latimer and Co may not have been the best singers around in prog, I really love the sound they achieved with their own vocals, and I actually wouldn't like those songs better with any other better singer.
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Posted: September 05 2014 at 22:45
Morrison has the deep timbre a la Latimer, yes, but his 'attitude' is not gentle enough to sing like that. His voice would be too imposing in Camel, at least that's what I think. Latimer's voice is unobtrusive and blends seamlessly into the music. Morrison has a voice you could recognise from a mile, just cuts through. Which of course was perfect for Doors.
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Posted: September 05 2014 at 23:13
Dayvenkirq wrote:
I guess I have a poor ear for certain bum notes.
It's the 'landing' that's sort of uncertain, as if she's feeling for the note and sliding into it rather than hitting the centre of the note. Like when she sings "My head spun and hit the GROUND". It's not really an outright bum note, just less than precise and the imperfection would sound good if she was just less tentative there. There are other places where she's again a bit unsure but they are not landings and she's able to cover it with a legato. I find At The Harbour more inexplicable. Maybe not enough retakes; the band said they had to practically record the first two albums like a 'live' performance...just one take.
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Posted: September 06 2014 at 22:56
rogerthat wrote:
Morrison has the deep timbre a la Latimer, yes, but his 'attitude' is not gentle enough to sing like that. His voice would be too imposing in Camel, at least that's what I think. Latimer's voice is unobtrusive and blends seamlessly into the music. Morrison has a voice you could recognise from a mile, just cuts through. Which of course was perfect for Doors.
Yeah, I guess you just nailed why, even though Latimer (an company) is not particularly gifted as a singer, his vocals seem just perfect for the band and I wouldn't really like any more gifter singers doing their songs.
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