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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 18030 |
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If most of what you listen to has to be very heavy "prog" ,whatever that is
![]() The early albums are more psychedelic and a heavier flavor of progressive attributes I suppose. With PT it seems to me you either like what the band does or not, because they cover a lot of ground...I suspect you will like Signify. |
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WrytXander ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 09 2014 Location: Turkey Status: Offline Points: 237 |
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I'm okay with prog metal (I do love Dream Theatre), as long as it's not just heavy metal presented as prog (Falling into Infinity, I'm looking at you). Deadwing had some of those in my opinion, and that's why I didn't like it too much. Though Arriving Somewhere is definitely getting better as I listen!
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Padraic ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 16 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 31169 |
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Coma Divine is pretty damn nice. I had forgotten how good it was.
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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^As a matter of fact so did I.
"Doing the right thing is never superfluous." |
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WrytXander ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 09 2014 Location: Turkey Status: Offline Points: 237 |
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Are there any songs on Coma Divine that werent included in previous/later albums?
Are there any exclusives, basically... |
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Roj ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 02 2008 Location: Manchester, UK Status: Offline Points: 3126 |
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On The Sunday of Life is crazily psychedelic and strange at times but
there are enough moments of genius (The Nostalgia Factory, Radioactive
Toy) to make it well worth having. Jupiter Island and Linton Samuel
Dawson are a riot!! Personally I love it.
Up The Downstair is classic early period PT. If you like your prog in a jamming space rock vein, fused with trance/techno then this will be right up your alley. The bonus cd is brilliant, especially the mindbending instrumental Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape which is my favourite PT song of all time and one of my favourites by anybody, ever. The Sky Moves Sideways is outstanding, another must have. Very Floydy and spacey. If you like Coma Divine then you are guaranteed to like this. Voyage 34 is a hypnotic trancey acid trip with several nods to The Wall era Floyd. Essential for the die-hards. Signify is very good, just less good than it's predecessors ![]() Metanoia was largely culled from Signify and is in my opinion far superior. This really is improvised space rock, totally off the cuff and it's a great album. If that sounds good to you then I'd recommend this one. That opinion is not one that is largely shared. Most people dislike it but certainly not me. I hope that helps so far as concerns PT's early days. |
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tamijo ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 06 2009 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 4287 |
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Never mind
Deadwing is one of my favorite PT Edited by tamijo - September 17 2014 at 03:24 |
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Billy Pilgrim ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 28 2010 Location: Austin Status: Offline Points: 1505 |
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Everyone has pretty much covered it. But I will say, Signify and Up the Downstair to me are much better than Sky Moves Sideways. The Start of Something Beautiful, Blind House, Heart Attack in a Layby, and Anesthetize are my favorites from the Modern era, and lastly, Grace For Drowning is the best thing Wilson's ever written, and The Raven that Refused to Sing might be the worst. Those are my current opinions on the subject.
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Saperlipopette! ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 20 2010 Location: Tomorrowland Status: Offline Points: 12822 |
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A lot of Porcupine Tree's music is just plain kinda commercial alternative rock made by skilled musicians. Which isn't a crime but its just so much of it out there already and samey-sounding to my ears. + in late 90's early 00's Steven Wilson wrote some of the most cringeworthy lyrics in rock. Then Deadwing came sounding all Tool-lightish (exept when they sound like Coldplay instead), so I barely bothered checking out Fear... and Incidident (probably heard 60-70 % of both). I felt I had given them more than a fair share of chances by then.
...but I also enjoy Coma Divine and some of their AOR songs are excellent such as the already mentioned Trains. Grace For Drowning is better than 90% of his stuff with PT imo. 40 years after their classic era ended a King Crimson pastiche still sounds more innovative and fresh than all modern rock it seems.
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Guldbamsen ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23112 |
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To be fair, I don't think I can recall anyone else doing the kind of space rock n electronica as Steven were in the 90s. Up the Downstairs is, in my opinion, a very original sounding album - still is actually.
I agree with your last comment though (although I prefer early psych PT), and it underlines the power and imagination of those early KC records. They still sound fresh - even when played by other bands... |
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Saperlipopette! ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 20 2010 Location: Tomorrowland Status: Offline Points: 12822 |
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Yup, I didn't make that very clear. I start losing interest around/with Signify, but enjoy the occasional well-written altrocker here and there after that.
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Argonaught ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 04 2012 Location: Virginia Status: Offline Points: 1413 |
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I'd say the Phase I (which is the only track on the EP that it of any musical interest to me) sounds like it was plucked out of The Wall in its entirety. Ironically, this was how Porcupine Tree grabbed my attention. ![]() To my ear, the PT was a real late bloomer as far as their musicianship and the composition skills. In the 2000s, "The Gavin Harrison PT" finally attained a good level of competence and developed a solid, recognizable sound, but Wilson's cringeworthy vocals didn't quite go away. IMO, the Nil Recurring EP was the Porcupine Tree's pinnacle. |
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Metalmarsh89 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 15 2013 Location: Oregon, USA Status: Offline Points: 2673 |
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I know it's a relative statement, but side 2 of 'Beat' is anything but commercial. I've heard people say Porcupine Tree isn't prog. I've heard 4 of their albums, and they all are relatively proggy, especially 'The Sky Moves Sideways'. I would recommend that one as well. |
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Dellinger ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: June 18 2009 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 12846 |
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I have almost all of their albums from their later (Gavin Harrison) period, except for the Incident (which I already ordered, though in the Octane Twisted version), and from the earlier period I have Coma Divine and Warzawa. Even though I have less from the earlier period, I have kind of liked it better... or perhaps it's because they are live versions and that helps them, but I feel there's something more special about those ones, less generic... and even though Gavin Harrison has been the one who's always been put on a pedestal, I have kind of enjoyed a bit more the drumming on those earlier albums... it was a kind of more melodic/ambient drumming, I guess. So, if you did like Coma Divine, Warzawa may just as well be the perfect complement for it, since the first closes the period when PT's albums were mainly a solo recording with some asistance (but here played by a full band), while the second one closes the period with the first drummer, and both albums repeat only one song, but otherwise have a rather similar feel to it. Also, I would insist that you check out Wilson's solo stuff, if you felt that PT isn't proggy enough, you won't have the same issues with Grace for Drowning, and even less with The Raven, but it still keeps the trademark depressing Steven Wilson sound.
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pianoman ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 28 2007 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 793 |
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Anesthesize from Fear of a Blank Planet is one of the best songs ever written. So yeah. I recommend that one.
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Rednight ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 18 2014 Location: Mar Vista, CA Status: Offline Points: 4812 |
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Is Kit Watkins(Watson[?]) of Porcupine Tree or Happy the Man fame? He'd take over some of the lead vocals when he was with Camel live and just kill. Posed by an ignoramus.
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20697 |
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I've been buying their albums from the beginning and my personal favorite is Stupid Dream but I think their best might be In Absentia....but everything from Up The Downstair...to Fear is good though imo Fear has a sameness to the songs that cause none of the tracks to stand out as much for me.
I would start with In Absentia and work both forward and backwards to see which period suits you.
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PrognosticMind ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 02 2014 Location: New Hampshire Status: Offline Points: 1195 |
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Never got into these guys. Where's a good place to start?
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^ Read the previous posts
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