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Dellinger
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Posted: December 23 2013 at 22:57 |
This is my favourite Pink Floyd album... and perhaps my favourite album of all (though Animals is getting close). Greatly on the strength of Shine On you Crazy Diamond... also perhaps my favourite song of all. Of course, Welcome to the Machine and the title track are stellar too... though Have a Cigar gets somewhat behind.
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AlexDOM
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Posted: December 23 2013 at 23:06 |
Dellinger wrote:
though Have a Cigar gets somewhat behind. |
Not when you when you're enjoying a fat stogie ha ha!
Edited by AlexDOM - December 23 2013 at 23:06
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Neo-Romantic
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Posted: December 24 2013 at 00:21 |
Good album. Definitely has a lot to offer and can reach a wide variety
of listeners. I'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who wholeheartedly
dislikes it. I don't listen to it too often anymore, myself. My tastes
have gravitated away from PF over the past year, but I still acknowledge
that this is a fantastic example of emotional and deep songwriting.
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richardh
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Posted: December 24 2013 at 02:35 |
^ I think that word 'emotion' is the key. So much prog is 'cold' but this has warmth and feeling. Technically its not that amazing but it just glows.
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dr wu23
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Posted: December 24 2013 at 07:52 |
richardh wrote:
^ I think that word 'emotion' is the key. So much prog is 'cold' but this has warmth and feeling. Technically its not that amazing but it just glows. |
That works for me....it's easy to listen to.
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TODDLER
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Posted: December 30 2013 at 08:33 |
The flow of W.Y.W.H. is very nice. It's very sad though with all of it's haunting chord voicings. Everything included except for "Have a Cigar" which is a more Bluesy uplifting song. The stories the band have told about the sessions and the memory of Syd Barrett and so on....I believe influenced them to write some very haunting/depressing type chord sequences. A state of dispair/depression or sadness can be a beautiful experience for a musician during a creative process. I believe that energy....(sometimes defined as a negative one), is what inspired the band to write W.Y.W.H.
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Xonty
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Posted: December 30 2013 at 10:24 |
I think everything I'd say has already been said - it is probably the most emotional Pink Floyd album and just has this fantastic, unique, minimalist atmosphere which I've grown to love. I think these 2 factors almost click into place because you have room to explore the more sort of spiritual side of it. Also, if you look at the actual music of the album, you'd expect to get bored very quickly (e.g. the 8 or so minute intro on Shine On before the vocals, most of which contains just 4 repeated notes). But the whole thing just rolls over you, and it feels so much quicker than 40-something minutes (apart from Have A Cigar maybe). I sort of agree with Roger Waters, saying that Have A Cigar's lively vocals weren't great for the album. It does sort of upset the mood of the album, but I couldn't imagine it not being there. Also, the album needed something different and more lively to offer to make a more accessible to the public, which certainly worked with the monumental sales. I couldn't see a lot of people buying it if it was all like Shine On. Also, the title track is my absolute favourite Pink Floyd track. Every can relate to it because the lyrics are so ambigious and open to interpretation. It could ultimately be about almost anything! Anyway, I suppose I've said enough now so overall:
Wish You Were Here is an album so much different from any other prog rock album. With all sorts of powerful and subtle emotions spanning across it, laid on various wispy soundscapes. There's always something to discover when listening to it the next time. With that being said, I suppose it's quite difficult to criticise when there isn't much substance, and most of the things you hear and find are what you want to. For example, you can gather all of these sorts of emotions from various places of the album, so you're not looking for what it doesn't offer if that makes sense?
Anyway, great album. I appear to have written way too much now so I'll stop...
Edited by Xonty - April 10 2014 at 12:36
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VOTOMS
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Posted: December 31 2013 at 03:10 |
Overrated. Is my least favorite from my Pink Floyd favorites,
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Stool Man
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Posted: December 31 2013 at 03:33 |
VOTOMS wrote:
Overrated. Is my least favorite from my Pink Floyd favorites, |
Your least favourite favourite?
Happy New Year everyone! Let's have another big album to celebrate. What's so special about In The Court Of The Crimson King?
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Barbu
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Posted: December 31 2013 at 04:03 |
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What's so special about In The Court Of The Crimson King? | Otherworldly : Musically brilliant from start to end (Moonchild improv included), awesome lyrics and that artwork is a masterpiece.
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moshkito
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Posted: December 31 2013 at 07:47 |
AlexDOM wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
though Have a Cigar gets somewhat behind. |
Not when you when you're enjoying a fat stogie ha ha!
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I was thinking that most people don't like Roy Harper's delivery that is not about rock'n'roll but about the words themselves!
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moshkito
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Posted: December 31 2013 at 07:51 |
Xonty wrote:
I think everything I'd say has already been said - it is probably the most emotional Pink Floyd album and just has this fantastic unique minimalist atmosphere which I've grown to love I think these 2 factors almost click into place because you have room to explore the more sort of spiritual side of it (I know this is sounding pretty pretentious now )
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It was "minimalist, because it was the simplest and fastest thing they put together because their next album was likely rejected by the record company! That album would have been the material that ended up AFTER as "Animals". And while they have not said it, it is quite obvious by the album cover, and the two pieces "Welcome to the Machine" and then "Have a Cigar" that PF got swindled and paid off to come up with something that was closer to DSOTM than otherwise.
While I do not dislike the later PF and eventually "The Wall", in many ways, their real beauty and experiments and design was over, and I'm still about the earlier band, not the later version, regardless of how much it sold and what not.
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Posted: December 31 2013 at 09:04 |
Are suggestions about specific albums to discuss allowed? I don't know if theyr'e within the parameters for this forum. If that's the case, what about Steely Dan's 2 masterpieces, Aja and Pretzel Logic?
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Xonty
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Posted: December 31 2013 at 09:15 |
King Crimson's debut:
It used to be my 2nd favourite album of all time, but recently I've really gone off it and think it's pretty mediocre. I still know why I liked it but I don't know what's happened! Anyway, those reasons were: it being so revolutionary - the first big prog rock album - ; the brilliant lyrics; that amazing section on Schizoid Man where they all play in unison; contrasts being the musician's styles' of playing; incredibly dramatic sections that leave you hanging (or as Jimmy Page would always say, "Light And Shade"), and so on.
The only track I still really appreciate is I Talk To The Wind because of its brilliant flute harmonies. It's really weird because this used to be my least favourite track on the album when I was really into it. I rekcon I've just heard it too many times, and I'll probably grow to like it again Masterpiece!
Edited by Xonty - December 31 2013 at 09:15
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HolyMoly
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Posted: December 31 2013 at 09:26 |
In the Court of the Crimson King...
I love the first half, don't care much for the second half, especially the title track. I used to love it all, but it just hasn't aged well for me. I prefer Poseidon and Lizard greatly.
But what's special about it? Everything. It's a groundbreaking album, and my little gripes can't change that. It deserves its classic status.
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octopus-4
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Posted: December 31 2013 at 09:38 |
The sleeve design, the ensemble before Fripp's dictatorship, Greg Lake's voice and that little dose of pure rock (21st Century Schizoid Man) which disappeared from the following albums.
I mean, Red, Islands, Poseidon, are King Crimson masterpieces. This is more than just King Crimson.
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Posted: December 31 2013 at 09:39 |
thwok wrote:
Are suggestions about specific albums to discuss allowed? I don't know if theyr'e within the parameters for this forum. If that's the case, what about Steely Dan's 2 masterpieces, Aja and Pretzel Logic? |
Just read the first page of this thread
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Posted: December 31 2013 at 09:39 |
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What's so special about In The Court Of The Crimson King?
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Not much if you've ever heard The Moody Blues or Procol Harum before (or in the case of "Schizoid Man" Hendrix and Zappa). What's 'special' about it is the drumming and lyrics. Crimson were always a live band first, so it's hard to find any live version of their songs not superior to the studio version. I'll take LTIA over ITCHCOCK any day.
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Stool Man
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Posted: December 31 2013 at 10:43 |
zravkapt wrote:
ITCHCOCK
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HolyMoly
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Posted: December 31 2013 at 10:47 |
Stool Man wrote:
zravkapt wrote:
ITCHCOCK
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Now there's a thriller.
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