"Freedom" thread or something

Equality 7-2521 wrote: Amber Heard's the easy choice there.

I never really understood why people look into the Nobel Peace Prize very much. For God's sake Bono was nominated how many times? Anyway, Obama's a good public speaker and a Democrat following Bush. That's basically 75% of a Peace Prize right there. Throw in a little First Black US President and BAM! there's a Nobel. He could have been talking about jerking off unicorns for all of his campaign and still probably would have won it.

Anyway, sucks that we have to wait another year for elections in Congress. Ye gods, would the Republicans get slaughtered if it were this year.

stonebeard wrote: I never really understood why people look into the Nobel Peace Prize very much. For God's sake Bono was nominated how many times? Anyway, Obama's a good public speaker and a Democrat following Bush. That's basically 75% of a Peace Prize right there. Throw in a little First Black US President and BAM! there's a Nobel. He could have been talking about jerking off unicorns for all of his campaign and still probably would have won it. Anyway, sucks that we have to wait another year for elections in Congress. Ye gods, would the Republicans get slaughtered if it were this year.

Because the other Nobel prizes are very much seriously awarded. And peace is more important than any of the other categories. And there are plenty of people who do work that legitimately deserves worldwide recognition in the area of peace. And giving a peace prize to a murderer legitimizes the use of that specific murder as a means to achieving peace. 

Because it's true and directly related to the point you were making? 

I mean I would have to actually comb through his voting record to see if the answer is any indirectly. But I'll just assume it's zero.

We were talking about the principle of the prize. We weren't talking about the specific awarding to Obama. I'm answering the question of why people place importance on the peace prize and why they should.

I'm not sure how many here are familiar with the comedian Doug Stanhope but I was checking out some of his standup on the YouTube today and came across this video someone put together (it ends with a Whitest Kids You Know sketch) which I felt I had to share. Just so spot on:

JJLehto wrote: As poor taste and insulting as that joke was, really just another case of singling Obama out. I mean...first, look at all the horrible sh*t said in politics, including jokes. Two, many of us (and I KNOW for a fact MoM is one) often use, shall I say questionable humor and like to tell people to quit being PC a****les when called out, so look it's a joke, awful as it was. I'll cut the guy slack and not cave to the petty pondering that we always see. OR call out every truly awful said thing by a politician...I'll get back to you in 50 years   dr wu23 wrote: Epignosis wrote: Winner of the Nobel Peace Prize folks.   Yes ..you're right, they should have given it to Dubya.       Wow, talk about a bad joke   Of course Obama was underserving. Ideology and etc had nothing to do with it, he was awarded the prize at the start of his Presidency! Complete bullsh*t, and when we see what he's actually done looks even more ridiculous. Needless to say I'd like  Wubya, Dick, Rummy and co tried as war criminals, but if we did that pretty much every Pres and most politicians would be locked up. Which who knows, maybe isn't so bad right now!

Well of course it was a bad joke; that was the whole point . None of these politicians really deserve a Nobel Peace prize. And 'Wubya' and gang prolly should be tried for their 'crimes' but again that ain't gonna happen since these days most US Presidents are usually guilty of similar things when they get in office.

rogerthat wrote: stonebeard wrote: How many people had Barack Obama killed when he was given the prize? And exactly how many wars had he averted to the extent he could have?  If I am not mistaken, he had originally voted in favour of the Iraq war?  Except as a good PR stunt, there was absolutely no justification for giving him the prize so soon.  They should have waited for him to get done with his job as President before judging his worthiness for the prize. But he was hardly the first controversial awardee, so the peace prize by itself has long since lost its meaning and been hijacked by PR/politics.

Everyone was saying this even at the time, or at least very soon after. He was given it based on words and a hope.

It would be nice if the award carried the weight it deserves, but it just doesn't right now.

dr wu23 wrote: JJLehto wrote: As poor taste and insulting as that joke was, really just another case of singling Obama out. I mean...first, look at all the horrible sh*t said in politics, including jokes. Two, many of us (and I KNOW for a fact MoM is one) often use, shall I say questionable humor and like to tell people to quit being PC a****les when called out, so look it's a joke, awful as it was. I'll cut the guy slack and not cave to the petty pondering that we always see. OR call out every truly awful said thing by a politician...I'll get back to you in 50 years   dr wu23 wrote: Epignosis wrote: Winner of the Nobel Peace Prize folks.   Yes ..you're right, they should have given it to Dubya.       Wow, talk about a bad joke   Of course Obama was underserving. Ideology and etc had nothing to do with it, he was awarded the prize at the start of his Presidency! Complete bullsh*t, and when we see what he's actually done looks even more ridiculous. Needless to say I'd like  Wubya, Dick, Rummy and co tried as war criminals, but if we did that pretty much every Pres and most politicians would be locked up. Which who knows, maybe isn't so bad right now! Well of course it was a bad joke; that was the whole point . None of these politicians really deserve a Nobel Peace prize. And 'Wubya' and gang prolly should be tried for their 'crimes' but again that ain't gonna happen since these days most US Presidents are usually guilty of similar things when they get in office.   Gee..if only a true honest Libertarian would run and solve all of our problems.

Edited by JJLehto - October 14 2013 at 08:23

Equality 7-2521 wrote: Some solid reading right there: the Banality of Systematic Evil