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Rednight 
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 Posted: June 19 2015 at 11:21 |
 KenFrankenstein wrote:
Actually I would have a few beers with him and then ask him why he f**ked up Genesis then clock him and walk out of the pub. |
And then you'd spend the rest of your life always looking over your shoulder, pondering when that one Collins (or Genesis) fan would step in front of you and give you your due (and that wouldn't be a strong tongue lashing).
Edited by Rednight - June 19 2015 at 11:35
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Prog Sothoth
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Posted: June 19 2015 at 11:43 |
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I always thought Phil's solo albums had this neat album cover concept. Just his serious intense balding mug, as if he was just about to yank the pickle out of his ass and slam it down the cameraman's mouth.
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KenFrankenstein
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Posted: June 19 2015 at 11:49 |
Rednight wrote:
KenFrankenstein wrote:
Actually I would have a few beers with him and then ask him why he f**ked up Genesis then clock him and walk out of the pub. |
And then you'd spend the rest of your life always looking over your shoulder, pondering when that one Collins (or Genesis) fan would step in front of you and give you your due (and that wouldn't be a strong tongue lashing). |
What you're saying is that I would be up against the Phil Collins Mafia?
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Barbu
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Posted: June 19 2015 at 12:02 |
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On a side, I dig Kajagoogoo a lot - in Nick Beggs' case, at least... |
The new Presdoug? 
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Rednight
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Posted: June 19 2015 at 16:16 |
KenFrankenstein wrote:
Rednight wrote:
KenFrankenstein wrote:
Actually I would have a few beers with him and then ask him why he f**ked up Genesis then clock him and walk out of the pub. |
And then you'd spend the rest of your life always looking over your shoulder, pondering when that one Collins (or Genesis) fan would step in front of you and give you your due (and that wouldn't be a strong tongue lashing). |
What you're saying is that I would be up against the Phil Collins Mafia? |
No, just an individual fan from either the Collins or Genesis camp who'd question the logic and bravery of "clock"ing a sub-6-foot, historically relevant prog V.I.P.
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KenFrankenstein
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Posted: June 19 2015 at 17:02 |
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What would happen if I am a 6 foot eight ex-Navy Seal Team 6 veteran with a bad attitude? Do you not have a sense of humour? I was just KIDDING. KIDDING. I know that this is a serious serious serious progrock website but I was just KIDDING. I offer my sincere apologies. I offer you my blood. I am sorry for having a sense of humour. From now on I will be serious. I promise.
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HackettFan
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Posted: June 19 2015 at 19:07 |
KenFrankenstein wrote:
What would happen if I am a 6 foot eight ex-Navy Seal Team 6 veteran with a bad attitude? Do you not have a sense of humour? I was just KIDDING. KIDDING. I know that this is a serious serious serious progrock website but I was just KIDDING. I offer my sincere apologies. I offer you my blood. I am sorry for having a sense of humour. From now on I will be serious. I promise. |
 I understood you from the start. Check out our Off at Tangents thread in Just For Fun. I think you have the aptitude. Welcome aboard.
Edited by HackettFan - June 19 2015 at 19:09
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: June 19 2015 at 19:41 |
dr wu23 wrote:
What brilliant Zeuhl album was Collins on...? |
No Zeuhl album, I was 'just sayin'........I was trying to convey an extreme comparison........
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: June 19 2015 at 19:43 |
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Green Shield Stamp
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Posted: June 20 2015 at 03:40 |
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I think Phil is great. Rutherford was as much to blame as Phil for taking Genesis in a more commercial-sounding direction. Rutherford is the member who is most dismissive of early Genesis classics. Whereas Phil has stated that Genesis were at their peak on The Lamb album. So I think that Phil has become a scapegoat for every misguided fool who believes that he was responsible for the demise of the golden age of prog.
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Haiku
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: June 20 2015 at 05:35 |
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Phil was good a prog when he was doing it, he was good at pop when was doing it. He's not really missed as Big Big Train's vocalist, David Longdon sounds a lot like him. Even if I am repeating myself, Gabriel and Hackett bailing were the best things for their solo careers and Genesis turning into a successful pop band. Which may or may not sit well some of us...
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Rednight
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Posted: June 20 2015 at 14:10 |
KenFrankenstein wrote:
What would happen if I am a 6 foot eight ex-Navy Seal Team 6 veteran with a bad attitude? Do you not have a sense of humour? I was just KIDDING. KIDDING. I know that this is a serious serious serious progrock website but I was just KIDDING. I offer my sincere apologies. I offer you my blood. I am sorry for having a sense of humour. From now on I will be serious. I promise. |
I've met Seal team members, sir, and you're no Seal! If you're serious now, how can you call the three remaining members of Genesis pieces of %$#@ around the time Hackett left? And Then There Were Three showed they'd not abandoned prog just yet after two key components of the band had bailed (and go get 'em, HackettFan)!
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"It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno
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KenFrankenstein
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Posted: June 20 2015 at 15:06 |
At least Gentle Giant had the guts to call it quits after Civilian rather than pander to the record company. Civilian was actually a decent album. I saw Genesis in Germany in 2007 I think. They only played a few tracks from the Gabriel era and the young people in the audience were like stunned deer in headlights. One track I remember was Carpet Crawlers and it was completely Phil Colonized. Sounded like a piece f garbage from No Jacket Required.
I am definitely not a Navy Seal. They don't really like advertising.
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dr wu23
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Posted: June 20 2015 at 16:05 |
Tom Ozric wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
What brilliant Zeuhl album was Collins on...? |
No Zeuhl album, I was 'just sayin'........I was trying to convey an extreme comparison........ |
Oh....ok..... 
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: June 20 2015 at 18:36 |
dr wu23 wrote:
Tom Ozric wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
What brilliant Zeuhl album was Collins on...? |
No Zeuhl album, I was 'just sayin'........I was trying to convey an extreme comparison........ |
Oh....ok.....
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I don't know, I was really drunk at the time....... 
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dr wu23
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Posted: June 20 2015 at 19:30 |
Tom Ozric wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
Tom Ozric wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
What brilliant Zeuhl album was Collins on...? |
No Zeuhl album, I was 'just sayin'........I was trying to convey an extreme comparison........ |
Oh....ok.....
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I don't know, I was really drunk at the time....... |
Ok...fair enough.  I do find it a bit disconcerting how many members seem angry about Collin's solo work and later Genesis material. I don't listen to them but I have no feelings one way or another about it.
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
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Bitterblogger
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Posted: June 24 2015 at 00:57 |
I'll sum it up this way: Prog fans miss '70's Genesis. Phil, not so much. I'm still with PTSD over his solo career ubiquity, afraid it will become fashionable again. 
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Rednight
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Posted: July 13 2015 at 12:35 |
*frinspar* wrote:
Love him. Not so much the Disney Phil, but a person has to keep busy.
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Hey, a guy's got to eat!
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san0648
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Posted: July 13 2015 at 14:53 |
Like him as a drummer. not the best ever but more than adequate. i can tolerate the few songs he sings on Gabriel-era stuff, but after that, my interest nose-dives.
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Rando
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Posted: July 13 2015 at 15:06 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Phil was good a prog when he was doing it, he was good at pop when was doing it. He's not really missed as Big Big Train's vocalist, David Longdon sounds a lot like him. Even if I am repeating myself, Gabriel and Hackett bailing were the best things for their solo careers and Genesis turning into a successful pop band. Which may or may not sit well some of us...
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I agree. I mean, to me the fact that Genesis gradually also succeeded at Pop proved just what a great band they were. Here they were one of the leaders and pioneers of progressive rock, and then to become one of the greatest commercial-pop bands with sold out world tours is a testament to their greatness and success. Gabriel and Hackett jumping off the mothership was inevitable. It was the end of Chapter One. Like the old cliche if there's anything that's a constant it's change. And change is good. Chapter Two- all members went on to greater heights. I don't think it was just Collins that led Genesis to Pop- Banks & Rutherford (as the core writers), also willingly contributed. I think its totally unfair to just bash or blame Collins for the change to Pop-It was a natural evolution...
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