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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2016 at 16:11
I like The Incident as well although it's far from being at the top of my Wilson releases. Seeing it performed live made the penny drop for me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2016 at 16:14
The first two Kate Bush albums are the best. Heart  Passion and youth sometimes beat overthinking it.  


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2016 at 16:18
The last bit of your post
Proof? Compare Piper to The Division Bell or The Yes Album with Fly From Here.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2016 at 16:26
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

The last bit of your post
Proof? Compare Piper to The Division Bell or The Yes Album with Fly From Here.



I've always loved debuts in most cases.  Even the very first YES self titled I love.  Great songs!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2016 at 16:33
My favourite Genesis albums are Trespass and And Then There Were Three, and I don't really appreciate the ones in between those.
      Gentle Giant's The Missing Piece is a masterpiece, and I really am bored by their Three Friends album.
    Floating by Eloy is also quite boring for me, and I think their first two albums are by far the best they did.
         Helmut Koellen  of Triumvirat as a solo artist should be considered Prog Related, and part of PA.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2016 at 16:40
Octopus > Three Friends. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2016 at 17:52
I find In The Court of the Crimson King to be really awful. Not only does the cover just make me cringe, but most of the songs are either too boring, too long, or too improvisational for my tastes (Moonchild). I Talk to the Wind would be a really nice song if it was shorter, and the title track is okay but that's it. Also, I personally prefer "Pictures of a City" over Schizoid Man. Yeah, it's similar, but it sounds much cleaner to my ears.


I don't really like King Crimson to begin with, which is an unpopular opinion in of itself, but I do enjoy The Power to Believe, Starless and Bible Black, and Red is okay.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2016 at 20:27
The eighties were every bit as good music-wise as the seventies (though it mostly wasn't prog what was good about them).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2016 at 20:45
It is totally incomprehensible that Irmin Schmidt doesn't have a progarchives entry.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2016 at 20:48
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

The first two Kate Bush albums are the best. Heart  Passion and youth sometimes beat overthinking it.  

Agreed. The first two experiences are the best IMHO
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2016 at 21:11
My unusual prog opinion?

Anything that Peter Hammill sings on is more or less overwrought and excruciating, and I cringe most of the time when I hear his histrionic wail.

A shame, because I can tell the music of VdGG behind his voice is terrific.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2016 at 21:15
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Octopus > Three Friends. 



I concurr, Someone had to say it
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2016 at 21:31
Originally posted by Licancabur Licancabur wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Octopus > Three Friends. 



I concurr, Someone had to say it

I thought that this was the prevailing opinion, though, seeing as Octopus has a score of 4.28 compared to 4.11 for Three Friends and Octopus is in the top 60 here on PA while Three Friends isn't even in the top 100.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2016 at 21:36
Not an `unusual prog opinion' so much as a pet peeve or a disappointment:

The idea among many that prog bands aren't worth listening to unless the vocals/lyrics are in English.

And that's not even coming from me simply as an Italian prog fanboy...

I would have thought more prog listeners would be more accepting of vocals sung in other languages because Prog is primarily enjoyed for the instrumental qualities, where the vocals and lyrics are often secondary. I mean, come on, although many of us often enjoy the lyrics on prog albums, I doubt that there's even a single prog listener there for the lyrics and vocals first!

I think those who don't venture beyong the English language groups are seriously missing out in so many sh*t-hot albums.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2016 at 21:42
^ It takes awhile.   It wasn't until I was well into my thirties and deep into prog that Italian bands began to appeal to me--  then South American, French, etc ...

"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."   -- John F. Kennedy
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2016 at 22:09
I don't care much for Marillion's Brave and the line "love can be as hard as algebra" from Hard as Love made me cringe. And on the flip side I really like the lower rated Holidays in Eden and Radiation.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2016 at 22:32
Originally posted by Magnum Vaeltaja Magnum Vaeltaja wrote:

Originally posted by Licancabur Licancabur wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Octopus > Three Friends. 



I concurr, Someone had to say it

I thought that this was the prevailing opinion, though, seeing as Octopus has a score of 4.28 compared to 4.11 for Three Friends and Octopus is in the top 60 here on PA while Three Friends isn't even in the top 100.


yes, it may be the prevailing opinion, but I don't hear (nor read) people talking about Octopus as often as Three friends. at least it is the way i see it, i may be biased tho, who knows.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2016 at 23:33
- The Yes albums is one of my least liked albums from the band (I could actually do without it, given that the one song I really love from it, Starship Trooper, is so much better on Keys to Ascension).
- I would give more 5 star albums to Rick Wakeman solo than to Yes themselves.
- I really dislike Peter Gabriel's singing (as well as Wetton's).
- I think the best Gentle Giant albums (and the only 5 star ones for me) are the first 2, and from there onwards they became less enjoyable.
- "The Division Bell" is among my favourite Pink Floyd albums... number 3, just under "Wish you were Here" and "Animals". And yes, over "Dark Side of the Moon" (though not for much).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2016 at 23:37
Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

Not an `unusual prog opinion' so much as a pet peeve or a disappointment:

The idea among many that prog bands aren't worth listening to unless the vocals/lyrics are in English.

And that's not even coming from me simply as an Italian prog fanboy...

I would have thought more prog listeners would be more accepting of vocals sung in other languages because Prog is primarily enjoyed for the instrumental qualities, where the vocals and lyrics are often secondary. I mean, come on, although many of us often enjoy the lyrics on prog albums, I doubt that there's even a single prog listener there for the lyrics and vocals first!

I think those who don't venture beyong the English language groups are seriously missing out in so many sh*t-hot albums.


Actually, for me if a band whose mother language isn't english sings in english, it's a downside. If I find bands that I like from different countries, I prefer them to sing in their native tongue... it's more interesting, even if I don't understand the lyrics. And I believe that's particularly important on RPI.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2016 at 02:46
Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

Not an `unusual prog opinion' so much as a pet peeve or a disappointment:

The idea among many that prog bands aren't worth listening to unless the vocals/lyrics are in English.

And that's not even coming from me simply as an Italian prog fanboy...

I would have thought more prog listeners would be more accepting of vocals sung in other languages because Prog is primarily enjoyed for the instrumental qualities, where the vocals and lyrics are often secondary. I mean, come on, although many of us often enjoy the lyrics on prog albums, I doubt that there's even a single prog listener there for the lyrics and vocals first!

I think those who don't venture beyong the English language groups are seriously missing out in so many sh*t-hot albums.


I generally view it as a benefit if a band sings in a language I don't understand. Whilst there are some great lyricists out there, they are a rarity (and maybe rarer in prog than elsewhere). Most lyrics range from bland to actively embarassing. I can happily live without having them interfere with my enjoyment of the music. I wish Jon Anderson sang in Tibetan, for instance.

Edited by Mascodagama - May 15 2016 at 02:53
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