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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Online Points: 45718 |
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46843 |
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poor Ginger.. no love on the Archives it seems.. the man is 1a alongside with Moonie's 1b as the greatest drummers to have ever played a note of rock music. At least Moon is holding his own.. probably because of the nature of their duality of their co-greatest drummers ever. Baker might have been the single most influential,. famous to say talented drummer to have played.. even Moon owes him a debt .. even though their styles could not be any different.
yet while much of Ginger's fame is built on respect..on what he did for rock drumming. and the music he created... Moon's is built on a sense of legend.. disbelief and a real...audible sense of creativity and of the box approach to drumming that few even approached and that makes him much easier to appreciate I suppose. Even if it makes him near near impossible to emulate.. a true once in a lifetime talent... to say nothing of force of nature.
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patrickq ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 18 2015 Location: the New England Status: Offline Points: 508 |
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I’ll jump on the Bruford wagon, but it’s nice to see Phil Collins getting some respect.
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Icarium ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: March 21 2008 Location: Tigerstaden Status: Offline Points: 34099 |
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^^ Gingers drumming on White Room alon is worth its praise SPOILER allert, it is in the Joker soundtrack, effectivly audible in the theatre perfect mixed.
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 30522 |
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I'm not sure why I didn't vote for Baker other than I was never a massive fan of Cream. Tales Of Brave Ulysses and White Room are both superb tracks but generally I don't care that much. Keith Moon on the other hand. I always loved The Who growing up and they were in a sense my gateway band to prog. Baba O'Riley will always be special to me and Moon demonstrated a level of technicality on that track and the whole album that was second to none. But yes people only really care about the myth and the legend. He was a total one off and the world instantly became a lot duller when he left it. |
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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Most punk drummers were just geezers who hit things, but yes, Budgie certainly was an actual musician. Jet and Rat also were a cut above the rest. Not sure about Paul Cook. Assuming it is actually him playing on the Pistols recordings, then I'd agree he was fairly solid. |
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BarryGlibb ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 28 2010 Location: Melbourne, Oz Status: Offline Points: 1781 |
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OK, but Lee Kerslake in there instead of Barriemore Barlow......c'mon!! I love Steve Upton from Wishbone Ash as well, but he's also not in the same league as Barlow. |
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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Baker is an interesting one. I think he was more influential than he was skilled. Don't get me wrong, he's a very good drummer, but there have been far better drummers who aren't awarded the 'legend' status he was. I think his work with Clapton in Cream helped earn him his stripes. That said, he did have a very original style, which you could still hear on Hawkwind recordings years ago, Levitation being one of his best performances IMO. He was certainly the best drummer to ever play with Hawkwind. Simon King often sounded like me playing the drums; clumsy fills, bad timing and drunkenly struggling to keep up. |
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Online Points: 45718 |
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Icarium ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: March 21 2008 Location: Tigerstaden Status: Offline Points: 34099 |
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The omission of BJ Wilson is also sad, the missing link between Ginger Baker and Keith Moon.
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18904 |
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Hi,
I'm not sure that anyone can replace Moonie or Bonzo. Their distinctive and personal way to help their band, was second to none, and I can not list many bands that could not survive ... after their drummer left, like it brought both The Who and Led Zeppelin to a close. At least, what The Who did afterwards was not something that you went out and bought after WHO ARE YOU ... After those two, I think that the only "drummer" I would like to have in my band, would be Robert Wyatt ... and perhaps because I know that he will make it a challenge for us all to stay on our feet and play! And I think that Moonie and Bonzo did that, where others pretty much went back to the time keeping, the sign of a 2nd rate drummer, which is what I would consider at least half the folks in this list. Ginger Baker is interesting ... a great drummer, and no doubt added a lot to the feel in the music, but it wasn't until his solo efforts that you really saw him come out of his "rock'n'roll" shell, although I like some of the bits and pieces that he added here and there ... he helped the one album that he did with HAWKWIND ... and never got much credit for it ... for example. Of all others, I would think that Bruford is the better of them all, otherwise, at least because of the courage to make the leap from YES to KC, and then to things that were totally FREE FORM on the stage ... which were a heck of a listen on any of his albums. Nick Mason is in a school by himself ... his early drumming, up until DSOTM was fantastic and all about the feel, and not quite the time keeping which added a nice "tripping" feel to PF, which these days is getting all this early stuff redone by THE ORB ... just to give you an idea how far out that stuff was ... and a drummer that just kept the "time" for all that material, would have killed the "trip" for a lot of those things ... so in this sense, he fits into the Moonie/Bonzo group that added a very special and different touch all around to the music, and somehow, Nick's contribution is not appreciated as much as it should, which kinda tells you how much people have listened to and enjoyed that early "trip" stuff that PF did. Most of the drummers listed, I don't think, would even be worth a solo album! Were I a record company I would pass right away.
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chopper ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 20071 |
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Moon is a weird one, technically he's all over the place, even the way he holds his sticks is weird. Townshend once said that The Who recorded all their basic tracks and then Moon would come in and "record a drum solo over the top".
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Online Points: 45718 |
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I remember a music journalist once asked John Lennon if Ringo Starr was the best drummer in the world, and John Lennon cheekily replied that he's not even the best drummer in the Beatles.
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BaldFriede ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 02 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10266 |
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Being a drummer myself there are a few drummers I am most definitely missing. What about Jon Hiseman (Colosseum, Colosseum II, Paraphernalia, United Jazz & Rock Ensemble, Tempest), Pip Pyle (Gong, National Health, Hatfield and the North, In Cahoots, Soft Heap), Guy Evans (Van der Graaf Generator, Amon Düül UK, Mother Gong, Echo City), Andrew McCulloch (King Crimson, Greenslade, Fields, Crazy World of Arthur Brown), Simon Phillips (801, Toto, Asia, The Who, Judas Priest) or Trevor Tomkins (Gilgamesh, Quaternity, Nucleus)? They would all most definitely have been on my list.
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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I certainly agree with Simon Phillips. Great drummer. Andrew McCulloch and Guy Evans too. |
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Online Points: 45718 |
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You have enough drummers there to post your own drummers poll.
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20712 |
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31 for Mason......really...?
To be very honest about the only thing I ever paid attention to in Floyd was Gilmour's guitar playing. ;)
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Online Points: 45718 |
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I find that hard to believe too, especially seeing as most of those 31 votes for Nick Mason have been added overnight. Bill Bruford was way ahead in the poll until today.
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Argo2112 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 20 2017 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 4462 |
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^ yea, Looks like someone was running up the score I call Shenanigans!!
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Fischman ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 21 2018 Location: Colorado, USA Status: Offline Points: 1637 |
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