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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

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I don't think it's new in prog at all. 
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You might as well state that it's not new to anything in music ... gads ... can you imagine it being done to "rock'n'roll"?

I'm not sure that retro is such a bad thing, and it shows a bit of an inspiration ... I haven't heard a lot of people saying that Beethoven copied ________ or that ___________ copied Tchaikovsky at all ... or for that matter that __________ copied the Beatles! (... well, the Rutles pass the mustard ... Poupon plz!) Big smile

the OP just wants to hear newer bands that sound like classic prog. That's all. It's not a question of is it good or is it bad. 
He could have stated the title better, but anyway... 

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...good or bad? .... I didn't suggest anything like that at all ... heck, we enjoyed Amadeus and Beethoven over the years in many different bands ... let's see ELO, Beatles easy starters ... and Rock Me Amadeus another ... there is nothing "bad" in those. AND, it was fun!

I don't hear anything in "retro" that is bad ... most of it is actually rather nice to listen to and quite an improvement over the listings in Variety ... !!! The only "bad" I find, is the lingo that suggests that any of these "retro" things are not good ... and I am not one of those at all!
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I would say the Flower Kings, Spock's Beard and Glass Hammer before Echolyn. Especially GH.

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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

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I don't think it's new in prog at all. 
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Hi,

You might as well state that it's not new to anything in music ... gads ... can you imagine it being done to "rock'n'roll"?

I'm not sure that retro is such a bad thing, and it shows a bit of an inspiration ... I haven't heard a lot of people saying that Beethoven copied ________ or that ___________ copied Tchaikovsky at all ... or for that matter that __________ copied the Beatles! (... well, the Rutles pass the mustard ... Poupon plz!) Big smile

the OP just wants to hear newer bands that sound like classic prog. That's all. It's NOT a question of is it good or is it bad. 
He could have stated the title better, but anyway... 

Hi,

...good or bad? .... I didn't suggest anything like that at all ... heck, we enjoyed Amadeus and Beethoven over the years in many different bands ... let's see ELO, Beatles easy starters ... and Rock Me Amadeus another ... there is nothing "bad" in those. AND, it was fun!

I don't hear anything in "retro" that is bad ... most of it is actually rather nice to listen to and quite an improvement over the listings in Variety ... !!! The only "bad" I find, is the lingo that suggests that any of these "retro" things are not good ... and I am not one of those at all!
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Another older one is "a gathering of krums" by Pye Fyte from 1998. It's pretty obscure but you can't get much more retro then that. It has old sounding heavy guitars, analog synth, mellotron, etc. A very underrated album imo.

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I feel as if I should defend Glass Hammer for some reason , easily my favourite post seventies symph band. I wouldn't call them 'retro' though even if Fred Schendel is very obviously a Rick Wakeman 'fanboy'. A truly brilliant band and if you get bored with the fantastic bass of Steve Babb or superb riffs from Fred , then just melt away on Susie Bogdanowicz's lovely vocals. She's also a 'looker' (but that's irrelevant I suppose!)

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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

then just melt away on Susie Bogdanowicz's lovely vocals.
She's awesome, but I think Flo Paris is the best female vocalist GH employed, and I wish they were able to once more leverage her wonderful voice. She and Susie rock, as heard in the beautiful intro of GH's arguably best epic.
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I am listening to Omens from the band Elder for the first time and this is pretty awesome stuff.  Made me think of this thread, so I thought that I would share one of the songs here.  I think that fans of Astra might want to check this album out.
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The first band that came to my mind (except for Wobbler of course) was The Winstons.




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Wouldn't most neo prog qualify as shameless retro prog? 




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Originally posted by foregonillusions foregonillusions wrote:

King Gorm & Hällas come to mind as newer bands.

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I find Glass Hammer rather boring, and I've tried listening to them several times, I always end up bored. 
Them's fightin' words.

I was thinking Hallas too.  Their last album "Conundrum", didn't get great reviews but I think it is the only one that is more than just retro for the sake of it


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This is probably the most shameless retro prog I've heard:

Listen to that, and Starcastle will sound innovative.
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Shameless is perhaps the wrong word as several here have pointed out. Many bands like that retro sound and have incorporated it into their style of prog rock. Like Wobbler who sound very close to Yes much of the time.
That doesn't bother me and I like them....I don't think they are trying to 'copy' Yes.
But....there probably are bands who are intent on copying a style or sound to gain notoriety.

One that comes to mind for me, and yes they are not a prog band, is Gretra Van Fleet who imho are indeed playing off of Zep's style to become famous or at least get noticed.
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How about Gargamel?
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I must confess to having composed some unabashedly "retro" prog music in my day, absolutely copping licks from Squire, Fripp, Hackett etc. 

It's damn fun to do in a group setting, especially when a bit, err....tipsy!  

Mind you, I had no intention of being a commercial artist, and as a friend of the late, great band Starcastle, fully understand the slings & arrows that come from being perceived as too derivative.  However, many successful bands were derivative to a large extent.  

I quite like much of Glass Hammer, and appreciate their proclivity to employ women for vocalists.  They are derivative while also keeping it sounding fresh.  My favorite of theirs is "Perilous." 
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I feel as if I should defend Glass Hammer for some reason , easily my favourite post seventies symph band. I wouldn't call them 'retro' though even if Fred Schendel is very obviously a Rick Wakeman 'fanboy'. A truly brilliant band and if you get bored with the fantastic bass of Steve Babb or superb riffs from Fred , then just melt away on Susie Bogdanowicz's lovely vocals. She's also a 'looker' (but that's irrelevant I suppose!)

Ditto for Michelle Young!
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

I must confess to having composed some unabashedly "retro" prog music in my day, absolutely copping licks from Squire, Fripp, Hackett etc. 

It's damn fun to do in a group setting, especially when a bit, err....tipsy!  

Mind you, I had no intention of being a commercial artist, and as a friend of the late, great band Starcastle, fully understand the slings & arrows that come from being perceived as too derivative.  However, many successful bands were derivative to a large extent.  

I quite like much of Glass Hammer, and appreciate their proclivity to employ women for vocalists.  They are derivative while also keeping it sounding fresh.  My favorite of theirs is "Perilous."

Starcastle's debut is a solid example of derivative symph prog that barely leaves an impression.

OTOH, the follow-up Fountains of Light is superb, an example of great derivative prog that manages to stand on its own. Keyboardist Herb Schildt is no mere mimic, either.
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Originally posted by freudiana freudiana wrote:

How about Gargamel?

How about Ring Van Mobius?
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

I must confess to having composed some unabashedly "retro" prog music in my day, absolutely copping licks from Squire, Fripp, Hackett etc. 

It's damn fun to do in a group setting, especially when a bit, err....tipsy!  

Mind you, I had no intention of being a commercial artist, and as a friend of the late, great band Starcastle, fully understand the slings & arrows that come from being perceived as too derivative.  However, many successful bands were derivative to a large extent.  

I quite like much of Glass Hammer, and appreciate their proclivity to employ women for vocalists.  They are derivative while also keeping it sounding fresh.  My favorite of theirs is "Perilous."

Starcastle's debut is a solid example of derivative symph prog that barely leaves an impression.

OTOH, the follow-up Fountains of Light is superb, an example of great derivative prog that manages to stand on its own. Keyboardist Herb Schildt is no mere mimic, either.

Well said!  Herb was a friend of mine.  Brilliant computer programmer also, more famous for that than for his music. 

Back in the day, Starcasle lit up the Univ of Illinois campus with their act - they were a phenomenal bar band, and covered everything from the Rolling Stones to Elton John!  However, their Yes-clone sound was revered by the kids at UI, and they had amazing energy.  

Champaign IL was like a band-incubator, there have been books & movies about that time period.  Local heroes REO Speedwagon went huge, and other bands had respectable paths.  Cheap Trick got a boost from the fans in Champaign.   It was a heady time, glad I was there!  
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^ Nice to read this. I quite like Starcastle too and wouldn't consider them retro-prog (too close in time and original enough on their own, as verslibre said). And I love REO Speedwagon, great band, but almost forgotten by everyone: never hear them on the radio anymore and not many people (even of my age) know them...

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Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

He also said "Dark" and closer to VDGG than Yes.  All of those acts are closer to Yes.

If he wants closer to VDGG, than he should check out Discipline.

Absolutely, and Matthew Parmenter's solo stuff too. 

If you like early Genesis, Unifaun's self-titled album is pretty excellent (a Nad Sylvan venture before he joined everyone else's band!!)
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