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The Quiet One 
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 Posted: December 09 2008 at 18:00 |
 bassman4 wrote:
cacho wrote:
^I disagree. Yes would have defunct surely with the original line-up just listen to Tormato, the last one with the original line-up before the "drastic" change. It's not their worst, but it's by no means a good Prog album, they were lacking of ideas, and therefore released Drama with Buggles members and that was a really good album with a different sound, but by miles much better than Tormato, it had original ideas and good blend of New Wave and Prog.
Also check Union, the original line-up including BRUFORD, you should have expected another CTTE or other of the like, but no you have Big Generator mixed up with some really lazy stuff. I know the problem with the producer, still they weren't able to release any strong effort since GFTO. Magnification doesn't has Rick Wakeman, so for you it doesn't count.
Oh and BTW, it's not nice to change of subject promoting your inclusion of a band that has been rejected many times.
And something else, it wasn't Collins who destroyed the original Genesis sound. The 3 of them had participation to make a Pop band, Mike Rutherford writing one of the first pop singles from Genesis, Your Own Special Way. Rutherford also wrote many other singles, which that leads that Collins himself didn't ruin Genesis. I also think that the word 'destroy' isn't a good way of expressing something of a band sound.
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Ok How can you say Tormato was not a good prog album ? Are you not listening to the awesome effects on the bass ? This is oozing with prog! I love On The Silent Wings Of Freedom , and Release Release !
I listen to the whole record . What is it about this record that prog fans don't get ?
and ,Drama is also a great record ! I would rather listen to both of those instead of Topagraphic Ocean
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I can't think of anybody saying Tormato is a "good prog album", that doesn't mean people don't like it. But in general the keys from Rick are terrible, Jon's voice isn't at his best, Steve's guitar is quite sloppy and Chris's bass is nothing more than weak, except On the Silent Wings of Freedom and the first track. BTW, I love Drama. Chris' bass is awesome as well as Steve's guitar. Tales from Topographic Oceans is a love/hate album. I love it.
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Progger
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 00:17 |
The best prog band ever...period. Their skill is only what most bands can only aspire to. The most consistent band known to man & not one 'duff' album until Union.
There, you have it!
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prog4evr
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Posted: December 12 2008 at 03:32 |
Jaja Macca wrote:
Thanks, guys. 
You are really good friends. I will stay in the Forum by the way.
And... let's go talking about Yes and Prog sound???  |
Definitely! Definitely, Yes came up with its own Prog Sound. One of the classic sounds is Steve Howe on the electric steel guitar (through an echoplex, of course!) "And You and I" on CTTE and "Gates of Delirium" on Relayer stand out as the best use of electric steel guitar - EVER! The steel guitar was not created for country-western music; instead, it was created for Howe to give us great, creative solos on those classic prog songs!
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peskypesky
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Posted: December 12 2008 at 09:53 |
Well, I love "Tormato" and I do consider it a great prog album. Definitely. There's not a song on it that I don't like and there are several that I absolutely love.
I understand that a lot of people don't like Squire's bass sound, Rick's keyboard sound and some of the overly-fey songs ("Circus Of Heaven", "Arriving UFO"), but those things have never bothered me. I love the mix of delicate beauty ("Onward", "Madrigal") with hard-rocking riffage ("Don't Kill the Whale", "On The Silent Wings of Freedom").
I also love "Topographic Oceans", so I guess that makes me a true Yesfreak.
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Isengard
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Posted: December 12 2008 at 13:48 |
Other than the Benoit David debacle, Yes have been and always will be a favorite of mine.
Not much else I can add that hasn't already been said.
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Bitterblogger
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Posted: December 13 2008 at 00:12 |
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I wouldn't call Benoit David, personally, a debacle--he's gifted. Perhaps you mean the politics of the tour relative to Jon and Chris (same old, same old. . .)
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Progger
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Posted: December 13 2008 at 12:33 |
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'TORMATO' is a great prog album!
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Lost Follower
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Posted: December 13 2008 at 17:41 |
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Dreadfully self indulgent and no balls at all.
Well you did ask.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: December 13 2008 at 17:50 |
peskypesky wrote:
Well, I love "Tormato" and I do consider it a great prog album. Definitely. There's not a song on it that I don't like and there are several that I absolutely love.
I understand that a lot of people don't like Squire's bass sound, Rick's keyboard sound and some of the overly-fey songs ("Circus Of Heaven", "Arriving UFO"), but those things have never bothered me. I love the mix of delicate beauty ("Onward", "Madrigal") with hard-rocking riffage ("Don't Kill the Whale", "On The Silent Wings of Freedom").
I also love "Topographic Oceans", so I guess that makes me a true Yesfreak. |
Not actually, a Yesfreak must love Union and Open your Eyes, oh and Big Generator. TFTO love isn't any new news, I love it. I love all their albums from Yes(debut) to Relayer. Then Drama, The Ladder, Keystudio and Magnification are all very good ones. And 90125 is a very good pop album. There you have it. 
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peskypesky
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Posted: December 15 2008 at 20:43 |
cacho wrote:
peskypesky wrote:
Well, I love "Tormato" and I do consider it a great prog album. Definitely. There's not a song on it that I don't like and there are several that I absolutely love.
I understand that a lot of people don't like Squire's bass sound, Rick's keyboard sound and some of the overly-fey songs ("Circus Of Heaven", "Arriving UFO"), but those things have never bothered me. I love the mix of delicate beauty ("Onward", "Madrigal") with hard-rocking riffage ("Don't Kill the Whale", "On The Silent Wings of Freedom").
I also love "Topographic Oceans", so I guess that makes me a true Yesfreak. |
Not actually, a Yesfreak must love Union and Open your Eyes, oh and Big Generator. TFTO love isn't any new news, I love it.
I love all their albums from Yes(debut) to Relayer. Then Drama, The Ladder, Keystudio and Magnification are all very good ones. And 90125 is a very good pop album. There you have it.
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Well, believe it or not, I recently got both "Union" and "Open Your Eyes", and I actually like them both!! lol
Seriously! I mean, I don't put them up there with their work from the 70s, but I still find a lot of really cool music happening on both those albums. Sure, they're uneven, and lyrically vapid at times....but I still find stuff to like.
I even like chunks of "Big Generator" and "Talk"! I'm insane!!!
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bassman4
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Posted: December 15 2008 at 21:43 |
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I'm pretty sure I have all the Yes cd's. When a band has so many excellent tunes , I just accept and enjoy everything they offer . actually ,I can't name a single yes tune that bugs me.
other bands with a single tune that bugs me :
Led Zep - Tangerine
S B - June
Karmakanic - Losers game
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SgtPepper67
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Posted: December 17 2008 at 15:03 |
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What's wrong with Tangerine?
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In the end the love you take is equal to the love you made...
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bassman4
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Posted: December 17 2008 at 21:56 |
SgtPepper67 wrote:
What's wrong with Tangerine? |
I guess I heard it too many times being performed by cheezy cover bands. they wrecked it for my listening. Now I wont listen to it . It bugs me 
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The Quiet One
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Posted: December 17 2008 at 22:01 |
peskypesky wrote:
cacho wrote:
peskypesky wrote:
Well, I love "Tormato" and I do consider it a great prog album. Definitely. There's not a song on it that I don't like and there are several that I absolutely love.
I understand that a lot of people don't like Squire's bass sound, Rick's keyboard sound and some of the overly-fey songs ("Circus Of Heaven", "Arriving UFO"), but those things have never bothered me. I love the mix of delicate beauty ("Onward", "Madrigal") with hard-rocking riffage ("Don't Kill the Whale", "On The Silent Wings of Freedom").
I also love "Topographic Oceans", so I guess that makes me a true Yesfreak. |
Not actually, a Yesfreak must love Union and Open your Eyes, oh and Big Generator. TFTO love isn't any new news, I love it.
I love all their albums from Yes(debut) to Relayer. Then Drama, The Ladder, Keystudio and Magnification are all very good ones. And 90125 is a very good pop album. There you have it.
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Well, believe it or not, I recently got both "Union" and "Open Your Eyes", and I actually like them both!! lol
Seriously! I mean, I don't put them up there with their work from the 70s, but I still find a lot of really cool music happening on both those albums. Sure, they're uneven, and lyrically vapid at times....but I still find stuff to like.
I even like chunks of "Big Generator" and "Talk"! I'm insane!!! |
Talk is a quite fine album for 90125 lovers. I like quite a lot of it. From Big Generator I enjoy the title track and Rythm of Love which I remember.
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Jaja Macca
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Posted: December 19 2008 at 13:26 |
As I said in other post, I love the Rabin's albuns, but I think they are not YES.
It's a great band! I still call them CINEMA, and I like all the albuns too much...
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Borris
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Posted: February 14 2009 at 19:49 |
There will never be a time when everything has been said about a good artist/group. There are always new personal takes and the music will keep interacting in new ways with new times and new listeners.
Yes are an excellent group, Close to the edge was a culmination point. With that album something new had appeared, Yes was a strange hodge podge of things that came together and gelled perfectly. It was uplifting involved bizarre and beautiful.
But I'm glad they didn't stop there, they didn't really repeat themselves. I personally prefer Tormato to Drama, Tormato was weird but I like weird. I love Circus of Heaven and Arriving UFO they are both wonderfully crazy and full of jon Anderson enthusiasm. The record isn't very well produced but I'm happy with it the way it is.
Tales from Topographic Oceans has really grown on me, mainly from reading some glowing appreciations of it. There are amazing paarls to be found if you dive deep into that album.
Drama I think is alright, but they were trying to recapture old glories and I think Anderson is just to central to what Yes is.
I like 90125 OK, I don't listen to it and bliss out like I do with a lot of the others though. I haven't got Big Generator, i got Talk a short while ago and I haven't been able to work up any enthusiasm for it.
Of the later albums I love Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe, it is a really fresh and vital album. Keystudio, The Ladder & Magnification are all albums I can put on and they fill me with light, These albums may not be breakthrough albums but they are very warm and human, they are also still very idiosyncratic and unique.
I hope Jon recovers and gets back with the others to realise the new long suites he had been working on.
I say a big Yes to Yes,
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antivoid
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Posted: March 30 2009 at 05:54 |
Talk is a funny album, but i love it to bits. Every song has it's own thing, jons vocals (maybe not his actual lyrics, even though it's better than most recent stuff) are astonishing, and the 3 part epic at the end is one of my favourite prog experiences from any band.
Talk was that little bit different and as much as i love classic Yes, Talk is right up there with em.
Why is it that so few people actually like this album?
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lazland
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Posted: March 30 2009 at 12:57 |
antivoid wrote:
Talk is a funny album, but i love it to bits. Every song has it's own thing, jons vocals (maybe not his actual lyrics, even though it's better than most recent stuff) are astonishing, and the 3 part epic at the end is one of my favourite prog experiences from any band.
Talk was that little bit different and as much as i love classic Yes, Talk is right up there with em.
Why is it that so few people actually like this album? |
I was very happy to give this album four stars in my recent review. It is criminally underrated and most definitely stands up well alongside other more established classics by the band. The Endless Dream tracks, as you say, is an epic and thoroughly enjoyable, whilst I Am Waiting is also a fantastic track. The fact is that the Rabin era Yes divides opinion probably more than any other 70s prog band on this site, and I do understand why. It really is very much up to personal taste and also being able to open up and give it a chance.
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: April 10 2009 at 16:44 |
cacho wrote:
I can't think of anybody saying Tormato is a "good prog album", that doesn't mean people don't like it. But in general the keys from Rick are terrible, Jon's voice isn't at his best, Steve's guitar is quite sloppy and Chris's bass is nothing more than weak, except On the Silent Wings of Freedom and the first track.
BTW, I love Drama. Chris' bass is awesome as well as Steve's guitar.
Tales from Topographic Oceans is a love/hate album. I love it.
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So right and yet so wrong. There is a small but vocal minority of people out there who are convinced that Tormato is a great prog album. Good luck in trying to convert them, as I haven't made any progress.
Rick, however, is not the problem. He's using a new keyboard that doesn't really support his style well on a couple of the tracks, but his contributions are about the only ones that drag this thing down.
Jon's voice is not at it's peak yet, but it's nearly there. The true tragedy of Yes is that Jon's vocal talents peaked during the Yes West years.
You are right about Steve being sloppy and Chris being weak, though. And the quality of song writing for this album is way down.
As for Drama it's a mixed bag. Machine Messiah is a great song that showcases the chops of the non-Buggle members. The two Buggle-penned tunes are very very good as well. Downes's White Car shows him off at the top of the game and is competent, even though it makes us all miss Rick, Patrick, or even Tony. The other two songs do nothing for me.
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: April 10 2009 at 16:47 |
peskypesky wrote:
cacho wrote:
peskypesky wrote:
Well, I love "Tormato" and I do consider it a great prog album. Definitely. There's not a song on it that I don't like and there are several that I absolutely love.
I understand that a lot of people don't like Squire's bass sound, Rick's keyboard sound and some of the overly-fey songs ("Circus Of Heaven", "Arriving UFO"), but those things have never bothered me. I love the mix of delicate beauty ("Onward", "Madrigal") with hard-rocking riffage ("Don't Kill the Whale", "On The Silent Wings of Freedom").
I also love "Topographic Oceans", so I guess that makes me a true Yesfreak. |
Not actually, a Yesfreak must love Union and Open your Eyes, oh and Big Generator. TFTO love isn't any new news, I love it.
I love all their albums from Yes(debut) to Relayer. Then Drama, The Ladder, Keystudio and Magnification are all very good ones. And 90125 is a very good pop album. There you have it.
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Well, believe it or not, I recently got both "Union" and "Open Your Eyes", and I actually like them both!! lol
Seriously! I mean, I don't put them up there with their work from the 70s, but I still find a lot of really cool music happening on both those albums. Sure, they're uneven, and lyrically vapid at times....but I still find stuff to like.
I even like chunks of "Big Generator" and "Talk"! I'm insane!!! |
LOL. You aren't a Yes Freak! You just have good taste.
Edited by ghost_of_morphy - April 10 2009 at 16:47
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