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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2008 at 07:21

I see my mate HughesJB4 has been here as positive as always.

Jaja - I first heard Yes as a teenager and the album was Relayer - it stunned me. To this day I rate the album as one of my all time favorites. I enjoyed Yes up until the time that Trevor Rabin joined them and almost single handedly destroyed all that I loved about their music.

Now I know Rabin personally and he is a very good guitarist although his style did not suite the image of Yes that I had. He is not a Steve Howe because although he is technically proficient he doesn't have the touch and the feel of his instrument that Howe does.

Trevor Rabin came from a Pop / Rock band in South Africa called Rabbit and one of his fellow musicians in Rabbit joined "the Bay City Rollers" (says it all doesn't it). Trevor almost took Yes down the same road that Phil Collins took Genesis.

Love Yes without Rabin - "Roundabout" anyone?

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2008 at 22:59
Hello everybody.
 
First of all, sorry my bad EnglishErmm.
So I never dream to make a lot of noise with all this discussion about "A new old topic"LOL. And as you can see in my last answer to Mr. Hughes, I am a Peace man.
So if the administrators of the Forum want close and erase the topics patient. If they leave them let's gonna talk about good music!Thumbs Up.
 
And yes. I'm feeling very well in the forum!
 
Cheers, everybodyHug


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2008 at 15:28
Yes is my favourite band. I love about anything they did in the seventies, as well as the debut album from 1969, and 90125 and Keys To Ascension.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2008 at 14:51
Originally posted by Dim Dim wrote:

Maybe he should use the search function, cause I garruntee he will find the answers to all of his questions. I dont think there has been anything left unsaid about Yes.
I think if you guys click on this posters profile you`ll find that it`s a she Shocked despite the absence of anything else.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2008 at 14:21
My favorite prog band.  Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2008 at 14:18
Hello Jaja Macca, i love Yes.
 
 




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2008 at 10:16
Forgot to add one thing: If you're new to a forum there's a world of difference between discussing a topic with other individuals and reading past threads non-interactively.
 
And, by the way: Welcome Jaja Macca. HughesJB4 is a nice member on the forum here, he probably just didn't get any.  Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2008 at 10:16
I'm always open to thread of bands I know! Even if they have already been done! I've done the same many times, so don't worry, just in the lapse of time try not to do it.....

In the meantime, here's my list of fave albums and songs from each one:
#1 The Yes Album (Perpetual Change)
#2 Drama (Does it Really Happen)
#3 Fragile (Roundabout)
#4 TFTO (The Revealing Science of God)
#5 Relayer (To Be Over)
#6 Time and a Word (Astral Traveller)
#7 Yes (Survival)
#8 Close to the Edge (Siberian Khatru)
#9 Magnification (Dreamtime)
#10 The Ladder (The Ladder)
#11 GFTO (Parallels)

I won't list the others since they don't rank IMO as for the quality of the ones listed.

Worst album? Prog? or Pop? I can barely name a bad PROG album, but it must Big Generator as for Pop, 90125 is a very good POP album as well as 80's Genesis.

My fave member is Chris Squire, for his amazing and innovating bass playing.

Once again Welcome!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2008 at 10:10
Yes! I do like Yes!  Stern Smile
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2008 at 10:04

Sure, some topics may be 'old hat' to some, but there are (thankfully) also new visitors all the time, and although a topic may have been done before, it doesn't mean that it won't be met with renewed interest.

If there's no real interest, that topic will die soon anyway, and what's to stop anyone skipping threads they're not interested in? They don't knock other threads off the list, there's just more of them, and a good thing too!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2008 at 08:26
FIrst off, JaJa Macca welcome to PA.  I am glad to see your enthusiasm for participating in the forums here at PA.  It is good to see such enthusiasm from a new member.  However, as Hughes mentioned each of these big bands do have an appreciation thread within this section of the forum.  I definitely recommend that you check these threads out to read members thoughts on these bands, as well as post your thoughts on these bands within those threads.  The fact that you have already started all of these threads falls under "What's done is done", but I would definitely recommend that in the future you use the search function or just browse the threads to find previously created threads that fit the discussion that you would like to have.  I realize that I'm not adding anything different to what Hughes already said, but I just thought it would be good to restate what was said a bit. Wink
 
As has been mentioned, I think that you will find most of us forum members to be quite friendly, including Hughes.  One of the issues with a public forum such as this is that you do have old members who are posting here all of the time and have discussed everything to death, mixing with new members such as yourself who are enthusiastic to talk about these items and bands.  As there have already been some posts, I am sure that you will find some long-term forum members that are still happy to add their two cents, as well as other new members that are looking to discuss these bands within here for the first time. 
 
At any event, please stick around, feel free to add your comments to any ongoing discussions, and have  fun expanding your prog horizons. ClapSmile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2008 at 08:02
Originally posted by HughesJB4 HughesJB4 wrote:

Originally posted by AlexUC AlexUC wrote:

Originally posted by HughesJB4 HughesJB4 wrote:

Just as a note, I tried a search on Yes, and in the last 6 months alone in Prog Bands, Artists and Genres Appreciation, there is like, 10 topics.
I think it needs about half a calorie of energy to scroll to the top of the screen and click search function.

On the first page of Prog Bands, Artists and Genres alone there is the new Steven Wilson album, there is the PostRock/Math rock/Post Metal thread, the Tech/Extreme.
One of which (the Wilson thread) is one about a new album that has barely been discussed yet, and the other 2 are threads that are always about finding the latest bands and discussing them, or bands that at the very least, are only a few years old and haven't been discussed to absolute death like Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd etc have.
If you're a collab, then you should never refer like that to anybody. This kind of behavior of some people in there just polarizes the site making it unreachable for new people. If you feel uncomfortable with an opened topic, just stay away from it, there's always someone in there that wants to discuss about the classic bands, which is perfectly fair.


Yes, I understand your point, but don't fool yourself.
A topic like this isn't going to really be anything substantial.
There was a thread a while ago, where there was an argument about symphonic sound vs symphonic structure.
One posted talked about Yes not having a great deal to do with Baroque music and it's lack of contrapuntal devices, talking about the harmonic structure.
That was a really cool debate going on there, a really cool topic that actually......well, was substantial and brought something new to progarchives I believe.
I admit, despite being a musician myself, I never really pondered whether Yes was far more influenced by the Romantic period than the Baroque. I learnt something there, even if it was something that I may have been able to learn myself eventually had I thrown on Yes and thought "hmmmm, there is a lack of counterpoint here".

But instead, we have to resort to these shallow, rehashed discussions of "Favorite album, favorite band member, favorite era etc".
That's all cool if the band if say, it's a very recent band that we haven't had much opportunity to discuss.
But in some form or another, whether inside this forum, or elsewhere, Yes, Genesis or whatever, the "favorite album, favorite band member" etc thing has been done to absolute death.

We can still discuss these bands, but how about looking at things like a  more in depth, musical analysis/dissecting the music piece by piece so we get a clearer idea of the music (like some of the interesting posts in the Symphonic Sound Vs Symphonic Structure for example) just as an example perhaps.

Yes, I understand and share your thoughts partially, because I know some people wants to discuss about musical structure while others doesn't have an idea what it means. The only real thing is that this site has many people with different expectations, and luckily we can have millions of threads then I'm sure the servers are not going to explode if you keep your "undiscovered topics" threads while some people keep talking about "this is my fav band because it's nice"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2008 at 06:12
Well, I think as follows...
 
Yes is the band that has been constructed by every indivisualized, selfish, stubborn, and eccentric member (although lots of prog groups may have a similar character).
And, the FRAGILE Yes, that was CLOSE TO THE EDGE, was beyond words, I'm sure.
 
It's a natural course for excellent prog groups, isn't it? Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2008 at 00:58
Ok Mr. Hughes.
 
Let it go, man. Let's going talk about music. And if you don't want to answer this topic, no problem. But I think you have something cool to say about this bands.
 
Peace, love and good music, ok.Hug
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2008 at 00:57
Originally posted by AlexUC AlexUC wrote:

Originally posted by HughesJB4 HughesJB4 wrote:

Just as a note, I tried a search on Yes, and in the last 6 months alone in Prog Bands, Artists and Genres Appreciation, there is like, 10 topics.
I think it needs about half a calorie of energy to scroll to the top of the screen and click search function.

On the first page of Prog Bands, Artists and Genres alone there is the new Steven Wilson album, there is the PostRock/Math rock/Post Metal thread, the Tech/Extreme.
One of which (the Wilson thread) is one about a new album that has barely been discussed yet, and the other 2 are threads that are always about finding the latest bands and discussing them, or bands that at the very least, are only a few years old and haven't been discussed to absolute death like Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd etc have.
If you're a collab, then you should never refer like that to anybody. This kind of behavior of some people in there just polarizes the site making it unreachable for new people. If you feel uncomfortable with an opened topic, just stay away from it, there's always someone in there that wants to discuss about the classic bands, which is perfectly fair.


Yes, I understand your point, but don't fool yourself.
A topic like this isn't going to really be anything substantial.
There was a thread a while ago, where there was an argument about symphonic sound vs symphonic structure.
One posted talked about Yes not having a great deal to do with Baroque music and it's lack of contrapuntal devices, talking about the harmonic structure.
That was a really cool debate going on there, a really cool topic that actually......well, was substantial and brought something new to progarchives I believe.
I admit, despite being a musician myself, I never really pondered whether Yes was far more influenced by the Romantic period than the Baroque. I learnt something there, even if it was something that I may have been able to learn myself eventually had I thrown on Yes and thought "hmmmm, there is a lack of counterpoint here".

But instead, we have to resort to these shallow, rehashed discussions of "Favorite album, favorite band member, favorite era etc".
That's all cool if the band if say, it's a very recent band that we haven't had much opportunity to discuss.
But in some form or another, whether inside this forum, or elsewhere, Yes, Genesis or whatever, the "favorite album, favorite band member" etc thing has been done to absolute death.

We can still discuss these bands, but how about looking at things like a  more in depth, musical analysis/dissecting the music piece by piece so we get a clearer idea of the music (like some of the interesting posts in the Symphonic Sound Vs Symphonic Structure for example) just as an example perhaps.





Edited by HughesJB4 - December 03 2008 at 00:58
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2008 at 00:40
Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

You should stand your ground, you will meet friends here, the posters to your thread have no authority, the one poster replied to your brazilian band post which had 27 replies, he said he knew of one brazilian band and never named it, you will find controversy on the forum, you will find egos, you will find intelligent discussion, if you stay you will be fine


If you're implying I "have an ego", please, I don't need that right now.
I'm a very introverted person in real life that very much keeps to himself, and I get incredibly anxious when I'm thrust in the limelight among a group of people.
It's pretty hard to be a narcissist when you're like that. I tend to be quite the opposite, quite hard on myself.
And honestly, I can imagine there are many people here on PA that are very introverted and not particularly out going and don't have particularly good self esteem like myself too.
I'm not one to impose myself on people for no reason, I was more than justified in asking the original poster to go the extremely small trouble of using the search function.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2008 at 00:15
Thanks, guys. Clap
 
You are really good friends. I will stay in the Forum by the way.
 
And... let's go talking about Yes and Prog sound???Wink


Edited by Jaja Macca - December 03 2008 at 00:28
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2008 at 00:02
Originally posted by HughesJB4 HughesJB4 wrote:

Just as a note, I tried a search on Yes, and in the last 6 months alone in Prog Bands, Artists and Genres Appreciation, there is like, 10 topics.
I think it needs about half a calorie of energy to scroll to the top of the screen and click search function.

On the first page of Prog Bands, Artists and Genres alone there is the new Steven Wilson album, there is the PostRock/Math rock/Post Metal thread, the Tech/Extreme.
One of which (the Wilson thread) is one about a new album that has barely been discussed yet, and the other 2 are threads that are always about finding the latest bands and discussing them, or bands that at the very least, are only a few years old and haven't been discussed to absolute death like Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd etc have.
If you're a collab, then you should never refer like that to anybody. This kind of behavior of some people in there just polarizes the site making it unreachable for new people. If you feel uncomfortable with an opened topic, just stay away from it, there's always someone in there that wants to discuss about the classic bands, which is perfectly fair.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2008 at 23:02
forget yes, you made a new person feel bad, to me this is a NO, now you might want to argue about it, I am 60 years old, I don`t care to argue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2008 at 22:54
Just as a note, I tried a search on Yes, and in the last 6 months alone in Prog Bands, Artists and Genres Appreciation, there is like, 10 topics.
I think it needs about half a calorie of energy to scroll to the top of the screen and click search function.

On the first page of Prog Bands, Artists and Genres alone there is the new Steven Wilson album, there is the PostRock/Math rock/Post Metal thread, the Tech/Extreme.
One of which (the Wilson thread) is one about a new album that has barely been discussed yet, and the other 2 are threads that are always about finding the latest bands and discussing them, or bands that at the very least, are only a few years old and haven't been discussed to absolute death like Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd etc have.





Edited by HughesJB4 - December 02 2008 at 22:55
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