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Chris S
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 09 2004 Location: Front Range Status: Offline Points: 7028 |
Posted: February 24 2009 at 01:15 | |
^ The basic principle is that drug usage in whatever form is frowned upon here on PA, and discussions advocating mostly illegal substances is frowned upon too. I reckon respect that guideline or consider frequenting other forums with drug induced discussion theories, that do I am sure fill up cyberspace in abundance.
It is that simple really, not being rude, just move on................conversationally speaking. Agree to disagree.
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Dalezilla
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: July 28 2005 Status: Offline Points: 5113 |
Posted: February 24 2009 at 01:46 | |
Marijuana is not a gateway drug. I'll back up my claim after work...
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Jim Garten
Special Collaborator Retired Admin & Razor Guru Joined: February 02 2004 Location: South England Status: Offline Points: 14693 |
Posted: February 24 2009 at 02:48 | |
Succinctly put - please bear in mind if you want to discuss or promote any illegal activities, be it drug use, file swapping or anything else without let or hinderance, there are no end of other forums out there to do so. But not here. However, for those expecting one of the Admin team to come in all guns blazing, issuing warnings & getting all medieval, I think a little clarification of the site forum's rules & regulations are required here:
As this thread is at the moment promoting discussion of the subject, no foul - in fact, I'd thank Teo for his frank and open contributions to the discussion. However, please bear in mind this thread is being watched. |
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Easy Livin
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
Posted: February 24 2009 at 02:57 | |
Not quite Chris, it is not the usage which is frowned upon, it is discussion about usage (and any other illegal activity) which is vetoed.
Personally, if this site were allowed to become a haven for discussing such things, I for one would move on quickly.
It seems to me Stonebeard that there is little support for your petition. Perhaps you will finally accept this and stop pushing the matter.
On an admin note, this thread will not be allowed to become a back door way of discussing drugs either. Any discussion must remain about site policy.
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keiser willhelm
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 14 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1697 |
Posted: February 24 2009 at 03:15 | |
it seemed to me that most people were in agreement with what he was saying. an open forum for discussion should be promoted, whether or not you view drug use positively or negatively. I think, as does teo, aaron, and others that the ability to discuss these things in a rational, and civilized manor without branching into promotion of drug use would be completely fine, and in agreement with site policy.
i honestly see no breech in policy here. can they not be brought up at all? this isnt strictly a music forum, we have threads just for fun, random discussions, threads about favorite beers... i guess where do you draw the line? alcohol a drug (one of the most heavily abused and destructive i might add) is illegal for me (20) and yet i am allowed to discuss it while it is in fact begin promoted here. why is that allowed? PA knows that many of its users are underaged. |
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Slartibartfast
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29625 |
Posted: February 24 2009 at 04:55 | |
All I have to add to this discussion is that here in Georgia you cannot publicly refer to a bong as a bong in a store that sells them, you must use the term water pipe.
But how about this?: I do want to make it perfectly clear that I am in no way endorsing the use of conservative leaders. Just say no. But seriously, you can talk about just anything on this site except for some explicit sexual things just as long as you don't promote or advocate it. Seems reasonable enough to me. Edited by Slartibartfast - February 24 2009 at 06:25 |
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harmonium.ro
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 18 2008 Location: Anna Calvi Status: Offline Points: 22989 |
Posted: February 24 2009 at 06:29 | |
In my country it's forbidden to show symbols of totalitarian regimes, such as the communist symbols in the avatars & sigs of the guys or the swastica. You should really check the Canadian Law about totalitarian propaganda, in order to prevent anything bad happening to PA due to reports.
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Shakespeare
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 18 2006 Status: Offline Points: 7744 |
Posted: February 24 2009 at 07:37 | |
I resent this. Ever heard of Terrence McKenna? Timothy Leary? Aldous Huxley? Alan Watts? I think drug use (depending on which) can be of infinite importance, and it is definitely not selfishness. In fact, it's the opposite. Meditative drug use is all about everything - the entire cosmos. ...I guess you're right, then. Because I am everything. |
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Shakespeare
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 18 2006 Status: Offline Points: 7744 |
Posted: February 24 2009 at 07:41 | |
Yeah the only problem is that Canada is a totalitarian regime. I'll check shortly. |
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Shakespeare
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 18 2006 Status: Offline Points: 7744 |
Posted: February 24 2009 at 07:44 | |
Sorry EL didn't see your post before my last, I'll stop. But if we were to discuss the law and not the actual activity (such as talking about legalization of drugs as opposed to drugs themselves) is that fair game? |
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Pnoom!
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 02 2006 Location: OH Status: Offline Points: 4981 |
Posted: February 24 2009 at 07:53 | |
asdf Edited by Pnoom! - February 24 2009 at 20:22 |
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Negoba
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 24 2008 Location: Big Muddy Status: Offline Points: 5208 |
Posted: February 24 2009 at 09:09 | |
I'm not sure I voted either way, and in fact I have discussions of these subjects on other forums and more importantly in my professional life all the time. Believe me folks, the discussion is played out. Maybe for the younger folks they need to go through it again, but there just isn't much new to say on the subject. Believe me, some of the statements I've seen here are ridiculously naive.
How about I talk about a legal activity for a second - smoking. We have a drug (nicotine) whose delivery system has been honed and refined to specifically be as addictive as it can be. The death-inducing qualities of this delivery system are unarguable. The death-inducing qualities of the delivery system for others in the vicinity is almost inarguable. Yet a gazillion dollars of our economy are wrapped up in this drug, and so it is legal almost everywhere. The bottom line in the real world is follow the money (which is a surrogate of power). Right and wrong, justice, common sense, take a distant back seat when determining policy - it's just the nature of politics. And when you're dealing with significant money or power, change is VERY difficult. It's like taking food from a hungry bear. As such, don't expect policy to change any time soon.
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Easy Livin
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
Posted: February 24 2009 at 09:17 | |
This is not a voting thread, it is an attempt at raising a petition. There is no need for those who do not support the petition to "vote" as such. So far the support seems to be 8 out of 23,000 potential signatures.
On a personal note, what I don't undertstand is why the persisitent desire from a small minority to discuss illegal activity here. Surely there must be plenty of other forums and websites which facilitate such discussion.
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Jim Garten
Special Collaborator Retired Admin & Razor Guru Joined: February 02 2004 Location: South England Status: Offline Points: 14693 |
Posted: February 24 2009 at 09:31 | |
Similarly - if you check my post, I voted neither way; mine was merely a post to clarify site rules & regulations.
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Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
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Visitor13
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: February 02 2005 Location: Poland Status: Offline Points: 4702 |
Posted: February 24 2009 at 09:53 | |
I'm against the discussions of drugs on PA, and I therefore request the immediate locking of any threads on beer, wine or other alcoholic beverages.
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Padraic
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 16 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 31169 |
Posted: February 24 2009 at 09:57 | |
But note that it's not promotion of drug use that's forbidden here per se, it's that drug use falls under the rubric of illegal activities, the promotion of which is forbidden. I suppose that technically if it's not legal for one to consume alcohol they shouldn't take part in the discussion, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to see that enforced. |
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tszirmay
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 17 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6673 |
Posted: February 24 2009 at 10:05 | |
What country are you from? Just curious, I see no info on your profile!
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I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth.
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Visitor13
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: February 02 2005 Location: Poland Status: Offline Points: 4702 |
Posted: February 24 2009 at 10:05 | |
I understand the reason for the site's policy, and I would not want alcohol threads banned. It's just that any time I see a drug legalisation discussion, alcohol is the first thing that comes to my mind. After all, alcohol is only legal because any attempts at banning it have been and will be futile. Not unlike at least some drugs, to be honest. Edited by Visitor13 - February 24 2009 at 10:06 |
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Sean Trane
Special Collaborator Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 19752 |
Posted: February 24 2009 at 10:11 | |
That's pure bull.....
M@X is around 35 and if the Admins are generally older (but not all of them either), most of us collabs are fairly liberal about it.
I myself s still a fairly frequent grass smoker (roughly four or five times a month), but I also believe that this is the kind of subject that should be monitored for the good of the site. Same goes for political threads and religious threads, this is sensible and always create trouble.
I'm sure that the drugs subjects/threads have never been censored if they relate to the music and the effect on musicians.
However, what is obvious is that we don't want to have threads discussing about street grade qualities for heroin and what's the best way to consume them......
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Chris S
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 09 2004 Location: Front Range Status: Offline Points: 7028 |
Posted: February 24 2009 at 10:15 | |
Yeah that is basically what I mean't I see no benefit though in all the cleverly worded debating this discussion takes which IMO leads down a nasty cul-de-sac with no positive outcome. Personally I see more positive discussion could be spent elsewhere on PA regardless of our liberal/non liberal viewpoints.
Los endos...
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