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jammun 
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 Posted: April 02 2010 at 21:16 |
 micky wrote:
jammun wrote:
himtroy wrote:
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But Jack Casady had more pure hard-ass musical chops than anyone in Queen. His only peer, bass-playing-rocker-wise, of the era was our good man Mr. Entwhistle. |
False, Phil Lesh was right up there with Jack Casady, and couldn't be more closely related in music either. That list could heavily continue too. I am however a big Jack Casady fan. I leave you with this dominant Jack Casady bass solo, an in fact the entire jam is amazing. My favorite Airplane clip easily
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Thanks for the link to the video! Yep, maybe I was engaging in just a wee bit of hyperbole, but ol' Jack sure could drive that band. |
generally I'd agree with you... next to James Jamerson (and all the greats acknowledge they were 2nd fiddle to him)... Jack is generally considered to be the greatest bassist of the era that America could put against all those greats of that era out of England. It isn't purely skill... you could draw up a list of a 1000 more skilled bassists if one really wanted (if possible of course) What Casady was the melodic center of the group... much as the masters from England were.
it's like i often say...
who gives a sh*t what one technically can play... it's music.. not science.. it is about what one DOES (or does not) play that matters. (the McCartney axiom to bass playing greatness) In that... yes... I agree with you Jim... there was no 'rock' peer to Casady in that era.
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That's what I'm trying to express, however ineptly. We know Jamerson just drove that Motown sound. We know Enwhistle drove The Who. And we know Casady drove the Airplane. There just existed such bassists in that era.
The finest bass player I had the good fortune to play with, way back when -- and this was a guy who (unlike the rest of us idiots in the band) knew a thing or two about Mingus -- considered Casady his touchstone.
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Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.
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moshkito
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Posted: April 03 2010 at 00:23 |
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I would say that Jefferson Airplane's song qualifies as progressive and then some. And some of those bass lines are just about the rock school of progressive!
So many prog bands tend to show how much classical music influenced them, but the Germans used the psychedelic era in America more than anyone else. Very few of them fail to mention a lot of the San Francisco scene and Frank Zappa from further down the road. So much so that one time Grace Slick did a satire of the German thing in one album, and it is funny!
Edited by moshkito - April 03 2010 at 00:25
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The Wrinkler
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Posted: April 03 2010 at 00:44 |
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Xanthous
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Posted: April 03 2010 at 10:11 |
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I prefer Jefferson Airplane over Queen any day, so their version is easily my favorite
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mohaveman
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Posted: April 06 2010 at 16:55 |
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Both great but AIrplane wins.
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UndercoverBoy
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Posted: April 06 2010 at 17:02 |
moshkito wrote:
Hi,
I would say that Jefferson Airplane's song qualifies as progressive and then some. And some of those bass lines are just about the rock school of progressive!
So many prog bands tend to show how much classical music influenced them, but the Germans used the psychedelic era in America more than anyone else. Very few of them fail to mention a lot of the San Francisco scene and Frank Zappa from further down the road. So much so that one time Grace Slick did a satire of the German thing in one album, and it is funny!
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Would that "German thing" happen to be Krautrock?
Anyways, I went with the Jefferson Airplane song.
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clarke2001
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Posted: April 06 2010 at 18:19 |
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These are two of my least favorite songs by two bands that I love. |
This.
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: May 09 2010 at 09:33 |
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Grace Slick is perfect on JA version
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The Truth
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Posted: May 09 2010 at 10:18 |
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AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! QUEEN FANBOYISM IS BURSTING THROUGH!!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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omri
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Posted: May 09 2010 at 11:01 |
As I expected many here voted to the band and not the song (well, I almost made that mistake too).
I prefer JA on Queen by far. I think Grace's voice is one of the greatest ever. I love some of their songs (Wooden ships, Hey Fredrik, Greasy heart, White rabit, Rejoice, Have you seen the saucers, just to name a few). On the other hand, "A day at the races" is IMO Queen's best album and STL is the best song there (after "You take my breath away") so I had to vote for Queen on this one.
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Zebedee
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Posted: May 09 2010 at 13:57 |
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Jefferson Airplane, I've never really liked Queen.
Edited by Zebedee - May 09 2010 at 13:57
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TheLastBaron
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Posted: May 10 2010 at 00:17 |
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Queen's by a long shot, such great vocals, backing vocals and some killer guitar work!!
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" Men are not prisoners of fate, but prisoners of their own minds." - FDR
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yanch
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Posted: May 10 2010 at 06:58 |
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Jefferson Airplane's song. Rockin', great lyrics, hugely popular when it was released. I find the Queen song rather cheesy, and I like Queen.
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antonyus
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Posted: May 10 2010 at 07:55 |
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with the best vocal....queen :)
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rod65
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Posted: May 18 2010 at 11:53 |
I've never been a big fan of the Queen song. as for the JA song--or anything else with Grace Slick singing--I've been a fan since first hearing. I think the pacing on it is better and the emotional kick a lot harder.
By the way, the original recording, done in 1966 by the Great Society--also fronted by Slick until she joined JA the following year--is also quite good. Not as hard or as polished, but quintessentially San Francisco in its rawness.
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Ronnie Pilgrim
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Posted: May 18 2010 at 18:24 |
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I gotta go with the San Francisco sound. BTW, does anyone else hear that sound resurrected many years later in The Eurythmics "Would I Lie To You?" Too bad modern bands don't take a stab at it more often.
Edited by Ronnie Pilgrim - May 18 2010 at 18:27
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paganinio
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Posted: May 19 2010 at 04:37 |
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Somebody to Love by Nelly Furtado is the best song by that name.
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silcir
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Posted: May 21 2010 at 05:58 |
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Jefferson Airplane no doubt.
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frankbostick
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Posted: May 21 2010 at 12:02 |
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