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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 01 2010 at 22:34
Originally posted by topographicbroadways topographicbroadways wrote:

I am a massive fan of the first era of King Crimson (In the court - Islands) but am surprised at how few people mention that era on this forum and jump straight onto Larks Tongues only stopping to mention In The Court.

I have never been able to get into the larks tongues era the only song i really enjoy is Starless from Red i find this era a little to jazz fusion. I like jazz fusion but enjoy the old symphonic approach from crimson.

In my opinion Islands and In The Wake of Poseidon are King Crimsons masterpieces but i almost never see them mentioned.

So does anybody else prefer the symphonic era more than the more popular and discussed larks-Red era?

I can't say so-King Crimson was extremely disjointed until they found their footing with the Bruford/Wetton/Cross lineup. Their consistency of tone combined with a more fervent desire to experiment outside of traditional prog boundaries made some of the best music ever, as far as I'm concerned, prog or not. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 01 2010 at 23:13

So let's get to the meat with regard to LTIA.

It all begins with that kalimba, maybe some bells or other percussion, I dunno what is that shimmering stuff hanging 'round, but we end up with some little bit of violin, little bit of Frippery.  Little bit of Bruford playing some wrong notes.  Little bit of growling Wetton bass.  An inscrutible Fripp solo.  Violin birds what's not to like?

Book of Saturday is a nice sort of ballad-like piece of music.  Nice Frippery, backwards and forwards.  Exiles yeah ya may need some help with this one, but I hear nothing that would make me turn away and run, given that it's strong in epic KC terms. 

Easy Money will and does kick anyone's ass.  To this day.  Talking Drum same thang.  LTIA Two need not even be discussed it's so good.

Overrated?  This is as good an album as has ever been made. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 01 2010 at 23:20
Originally posted by The Truth The Truth wrote:

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2010 at 00:08
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2010 at 06:11
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

The word overrated is, IMHO, extremely overrated.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2010 at 06:29
People who use overrated and underrated should be berated as they make me irated. LOL

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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2010 at 06:52
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

This is going to be an interesting thread......

I was wrong as it turns out.


Anyway I prefer Larks over the two following albums. In other words, of the Wetton era, Lark,is my favourite.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2010 at 07:37
I like LTIA and Red. Red is better, but from their earlier days I would say that Lizard and Islands are better than LTIA, and perhaos on a par with Red.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2010 at 07:47

Even now after 40 years from its release the album still ground-breaking and magnificent, it has passed the test of time - a Timeless classic. Larks' will live after us.

Think of the year 1973 and try to imagine the first time people heard that.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2010 at 08:45
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2010 at 09:18
Originally posted by 40footwolf 40footwolf wrote:

Originally posted by topographicbroadways topographicbroadways wrote:

I am a massive fan of the first era of King Crimson (In the court - Islands) but am surprised at how few people mention that era on this forum and jump straight onto Larks Tongues only stopping to mention In The Court.

I have never been able to get into the larks tongues era the only song i really enjoy is Starless from Red i find this era a little to jazz fusion. I like jazz fusion but enjoy the old symphonic approach from crimson.

In my opinion Islands and In The Wake of Poseidon are King Crimsons masterpieces but i almost never see them mentioned.

So does anybody else prefer the symphonic era more than the more popular and discussed larks-Red era?

I can't say so-King Crimson was extremely disjointed until they found their footing with the Bruford/Wetton/Cross lineup. Their consistency of tone combined with a more fervent desire to experiment outside of traditional prog boundaries made some of the best music ever, as far as I'm concerned, prog or not. 
Disjointed ....I would think to make that reference pointing out only one specific detail and that would be the lack of security Fripp had or felt during his long and painful journey to even keep ONE particular line up together. But, to do 4 titles like that with un-stable prospects and each one has individuality musically is quite a accomplishment for a musician/writer. I don't know how in the world he pulled that off? The times when they did stretch out and improvise could be sampled more so on tracks like "The Sailor's Tale", "Bolero", "Battle Of The Glass Tears", 21ST Century Schizoid Man", "Pictures Of A City", "Indoor Games", "Happy Family" and even "Moonchild" (but is noodling).

The idea to improvise in pieces during the so-called Symphonic era, was not so much limited in the improvisation itself as it was in the time frame of the song. I loved Larks, Starless, and Red but yet was disappointed sometimes in the chord progressions used during the improvisations. Fripp was the fulltime tri-tone explorer during this period, while on early Crimso titles, the tri-tone usage was carefully written in a shorter passage to compliment the approach in composition....like Symphonic for example. To me, the pieces "Red", "Larks Tongues In Aspic Parts I & II , Fracture, and the center section of "Starless" were all reminiscent of each other and a bit obvious.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2010 at 10:45
I like LTIA far too much to tell whether or not it's overrated, so I guess I overrate it. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2010 at 11:18
Originally posted by Stooge Stooge wrote:

I like LTIA far too much to tell whether or not it's overrated, so I guess I overrate it. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2010 at 12:56
I'm not a fan of LTIA and Red and ITCOTCK...

Edited by Henry Plainview - December 02 2010 at 12:57
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2010 at 16:29
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

I'm not a fan of LTIA and Red and ITCOTCK...
I used to be. Now I have just about as much desire to listen to K.C as I do to watch Glenn Beck.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2010 at 17:42
For me it sure seems like it. But in reality, it's mostly just rated. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2010 at 17:54
Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

Now I have just about as much desire to listen to K.C as I do to watch Glenn Beck.
Wow.  That's harsh!   Comparing King Crimson to an inflamed a**hole?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2010 at 22:01
Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

Now I have just about as much desire to listen to K.C as I do to watch Glenn Beck.
Wow.  That's harsh!   Comparing King Crimson to an inflamed a**hole?

Just kidding in a dark jaded wayLOL   I've been listening to K.C close to 40 years. Give me a breakLOL 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2010 at 23:36
Lark's tongues is probably my favorite KC album. I like the first few a lot also. Were KC ever a symph prog band? The first two probably come the closest but they always had avant garde and jazzy tendencies. Those Bruford/Wetton albums are just very special to me. There was something about them I just can't put my finger on. So my top five would be the three Wetton/Bruford and then ITCOTCK and ITWOP and lizard being a close sixth. Lizard is great but it's a bit weirder and I have to be in the mood for it(even more so for islands which is maybe a bit too out there even for KC although I love "ladies of the road"). The eighties and nineties and more recent stuff is good and has it's moments but none of it really holds a candle to their first incarnation as a band(note I didn't say first lineup since that only lasted one and a half albums ;) ). LTIA is easily in my top ten list of all time albums.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2010 at 01:46

KC is my fav British progrock band. But, I'm not fan of ITCOCK, and WOP. My fav five albums by KC are 1. Lizard 2. Lark's Tongue  In Aspic 3. Islands 4. Discipline 5.The Power to Believe, so I don't think that Larks is "overrated". Couldnt be, IMO, because Larks is masterpiece. Also, it was pretty inovative an album at the time when it was issued, a fresh air from KC without a doubt.



Edited by Svetonio - December 03 2010 at 01:54
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