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Posted: July 24 2012 at 06:52
dtguitarfan wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
^ Meh
THERE'S the pretentious prog snob attitude - if you can't find any level of "wow, those guys are good" from those videos, then you need to open yourself up to the fact that there are more than one style of music out there, and people in styles you don't like may still be very skilled.
Just because there's a lot of skill involved doesn't mean everyone should automatically like it.
THERE'S the pretentious prog snob attitude - if you can't find any level of "wow, those guys are good" from those videos, then you need to open yourself up to the fact that there are more than one style of music out there, and people in styles you don't like may still be very skilled.
Just because there's a lot of skill involved doesn't mean everyone should automatically like it.
I'm not saying you should like it. But "meh" seems to imply one does not think they are even very skilled, and if that was not the intention, a different phrasing might be a better choice. Something like "well, he's good, but not my thing" maybe.
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Posted: July 24 2012 at 10:57
dtguitarfan wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
^ Meh
THERE'S the pretentious prog snob attitude - if you can't find any level of "wow, those guys are good" from those videos, then you need to open yourself up to the fact that there are more than one style of music out there, and people in styles you don't like may still be very skilled.
As a lover of classical, jazz, progressive rock, and bluegrass, I'll say that none of those guys were good and are only purely shredders. They don't have the credentials to stand up next to the greats. If you think they do, then that's fine and that's your opinion, but don't expect others to be impressed. Guthrie Govan is a very skilled player, but his playing lacks excitement and some refinement in my view and most of all it lacks the kind of emotion that has made guys like McLaughlin, Di Meola, Holdsworth, etc. world-class musicians.
Edited by Mirror Image - July 24 2012 at 10:58
“Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov
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Posted: July 24 2012 at 11:02
dtguitarfan wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
^ Meh
THERE'S the pretentious prog snob attitude - if you can't find any level of "wow, those guys are good" from those videos, then you need to open yourself up to the fact that there are more than one style of music out there, and people in styles you don't like may still be very skilled.
No, there's only one style of music: Funeral Doom. All music is a derivation, variation or perversion of that.
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Posted: July 24 2012 at 11:20
For me, Al Di Meola is one of the best guitarists alive. He combines incredible technical facility on the guitar with pure heart and soul. Here's a song from Kiss My Axe that I've always enjoyed:
“Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov
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Posted: July 24 2012 at 15:32
dtguitarfan wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
^ Meh
THERE'S the pretentious prog snob attitude - if you can't find any level of "wow, those guys are good" from those videos, then you need to open yourself up to the fact that there are more than one style of music out there, and people in styles you don't like may still be very skilled.
I think Atavachron meant it as a joke ... or not. Either way, I don't care. If it could qualify as an implication, then I think it's a rather weak one. And skill is not everything, in case if you didn't know that.
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Posted: July 24 2012 at 18:42
^ OK, there must be some misunderstanding, there must be some kind of a mistake, I wai... no, I'll stop right here.
What we were saying is that immense, just grand, technical skill is not everything. I hoped that people would understand the message. I have yet to tackle the issue of songwriting. The Beatles could do without much technicality. Nickie Drake could do without much skill on "River Man", right? Got that straight.
I was bored after the first minute. She's still a young person though and has a lot of growing up to do.
You desperately need to expand your horizons then. That is not the usual style of music I seek out, but it was some fine playing. I wouldn't say "top 5" but that is a far cry from "bored after the first minute". Your parents never made you sit through symphonies or other forms of music you weren't into, did they? Probably didn't make you eat your broccoli either.
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Posted: July 24 2012 at 18:50
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ OK, there must be some misunderstanding, there must be some kind of a mistake, I wai... no, I'll stop right here.
What we were saying is that immense, just grand, technical skill is not everything. I hoped that people would understand the message. I have yet to tackle the issue of songwriting. The Beatles could do without much technicality. Nickie Drake could do without much skill on "River Man", right? Got that straight.
yeah, and I agree, but for the third time; people
understand emotionality is important, but this discussion was not
supposed to be about that until it was hijacked by the "Hey y'know
emotion is as or more important than technique, you troglodytes!" crowd.
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Posted: July 24 2012 at 19:35
^ So, what you are saying is that we are off-the-topic. Didn't notice I was crossing the line there. No, wait ... someone else started this argument. A-a-a-a-ah, who cares.
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Posted: July 24 2012 at 19:38
dtguitarfan wrote:
You desperately need to expand your horizons then. That is not the usual style of music I seek out, but it was some fine playing. I wouldn't say "top 5" but that is a far cry from "bored after the first minute". Your parents never made you sit through symphonies or other forms of music you weren't into, did they? Probably didn't make you eat your broccoli either.
You desperately need to quit assuming you know me when you don't nor do you know my tastes in music. I simply stated that I didn't dig the girl's playing and found it boring. That's okay isn't it? I'm allowed to disagree with you right?
About classical music, I've learned more in the last three years than most people have their entire lives about this genre. I went head first into what I feel to be the greatest art that was ever imagined. My preference for 20th Century composers got me into some hot water on classical forums, but that's okay, I enjoy what I enjoy. Favorite composers: Shostakovich (obviously), Bartok, Ravel, Prokofiev, Villa-Lobos, Vaughan Williams, Koechlin, Stravinsky, Janacek, Sibelius, Szymanowski, Roussel, Ives, Copland, William Schuman, Milhaud, among others. Now, if you excuse me, I have to go get my head examined because apparently I need to "expand my horizons."
Edited by Mirror Image - July 24 2012 at 19:39
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Posted: July 24 2012 at 19:41
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ So, what you are saying is that we are off-the-topic. Didn't notice I was crossing the line there. No, wait ... someone else started this argument. A-a-a-a-ah, who cares.
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Posted: July 24 2012 at 22:02
dtguitarfan wrote:
Mirror Image wrote:
I was bored after the first minute. She's still a young person though and has a lot of growing up to do.
You desperately need to expand your horizons then. That is not the usual style of music I seek out, but it was some fine playing. I wouldn't say "top 5" but that is a far cry from "bored after the first minute". Your parents never made you sit through symphonies or other forms of music you weren't into, did they? Probably didn't make you eat your broccoli either.
someone disagreed with me they are so stupid how can u be so dum
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