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Posted: February 18 2014 at 22:47
The Dark Elf wrote:
(...) overdone Epping Forest (needed a forceful editor on that one) (...)
Imo, The Battle of Epping Forest is a great tune. One of their most complex songs, Gabriel Era. The whole band gave their best. These lyrics written by a true story & Gabriel's theatrical singing, Collins' drumming is fantastic, Banks' solos at 3:13 and 8:45 stagger my mind now as well as a hundred of years ago, Rutheford's bass lines & Hacketts' guitar work at 5:28 - 6:40 is a magnificent soundtrack of that moving poetry. Masterpiece.
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Posted: February 19 2014 at 01:46
Battle Of Epping Forest gets boring for me after 2 minutes. ''Its The Battle Of Epping Forest'' zzzzz. All the overdone cockney and silly Carry On Up The Vicarage voices , and people moan about Benny The Bouncer which at least is only 2 minutes and doesn't outstay its welcome. I obviously missed all those wonderful solos. Thats not the only reason why I think this album is way overrated on a scale not unlike DSOTM. The horrible bland production , pop music like In You Wardrobe that gets boring very quickly and More Fool Me not fooling anyone. Of course there are the trio of great epic tracks that stops this album dying completely on its arse but I would rarher listen to the live version of Cinema Show any day over the limp studio version. Only DWTMK and FOF are 'keepers' in my book.
Foxtrot I love from start to finish and only ATOTT betters it as far as Genesis is concerned (imo)
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Posted: February 19 2014 at 02:12
richardh wrote:
Battle of Epping Forest (...) The horrible bland production (...)
After twodisastrousproducedalbums Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot(by the way, do not forget that the TrespassoriginalLPrandomlyget its amazing, 'moody'sound) that"horribleblandproduction"was a reallyfresh air.
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Posted: February 19 2014 at 03:15
richardh wrote:
Battle Of Epping Forest gets boring for me after 2 minutes. ''Its The Battle Of Epping Forest'' zzzzz. All the overdone cockney and silly Carry On Up The Vicarage voices , and people moan about Benny The Bouncer which at least is only 2 minutes and doesn't outstay its welcome. I obviously missed all those wonderful solos. Thats not the only reason why I think this album is way overrated on a scale not unlike DSOTM. The horrible bland production , pop music like In You Wardrobe that gets boring very quickly and More Fool Me not fooling anyone. Of course there are the trio of great epic tracks that stops this album dying completely on its arse but I would rarher listen to the live version of Cinema Show any day over the limp studio version. Only DWTMK and FOF are 'keepers' in my book.
Foxtrot I love from start to finish and only ATOTT betters it as far as Genesis is concerned (imo)
I agree re; TBOEF, but I thought the production job was probably the best of the Gabriel era.
It's just a shame they didn't find Dave Hentschel in those early years.
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Posted: February 19 2014 at 05:59
Chris S wrote:
I cannot understand all the hype about poor production in the 70's. We played vinyl for God's sake!
We just discuss. Well, it was not a matter of vinyl, it was a matter of poor production; there were already a number of well produced prog albums at the time of Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot releases, whose production was a disaster. Although their music was magnificent and quality was recognized and well accepted, it's a fact that Genesis did not have a well produced album until Live release in summer 1973. Aside of Trespass the original album that accidently sounds great.
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Posted: February 19 2014 at 10:01
When I started to listen Genesis, Selling England was first album I heard and the best thing I coulld had ever heard, warm, very symphonic and pretty accessible.
But then I got the whole collection and discovered the firrst three Prog albums (Trespass, NC and Foxtrot).
Wow, that thick atmospheric sound and dark mood captured me, the interplay between Hackett and Banks was just perfect, the albums were obscure, mysterious, simply magic, and by Selling England, that magic was lost.
Yes, SEBTP has Cinema Show, Dancing with the moonlit Knight and Battle for the Epiong Forest, but it also has More Fool Me and the worst version of I Know What I like, it's still a masterpiece, but I stay with Foxtrot,a perfect album with no weak tracks or fillers.
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Posted: February 19 2014 at 11:15
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
When I started to listen Genesis, Selling England was first album I heard and the best thing I coulld had ever heard, warm, very symphonic and pretty accessible.
But then I got the whole collection and discovered the firrst three Prog albums (Trespass, NC and Foxtrot).
Wow, that thick atmospheric sound and dark mood captured me, the interplay between Hackett and Banks was just perfect, the albums were obscure, mysterious, simply magic, and by Selling England, that magic was lost.
Yes, SEBTP has Cinema Show, Dancing with the moonlit Knight and Battle for the Epiong Forest, but it also has More Fool Me and the worst version of I Know What I like, it's still a masterpiece, but I stay with Foxtrot,a perfect album with no weak tracks or fillers.
My order is:
Foxtrot
Nursery Cryme
Trespass
The Lamb Lies Down
Selling England
W & W
A Trick
And I can't care less for the rest.
Iván
Interesting order of Genesis faves......
but you failed to mention Firth of Fifth from SEBTP which imho is one of the best songs they ever wrote.
One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin
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Posted: February 19 2014 at 13:21
Svetonio wrote:
richardh wrote:
Battle of Epping Forest (...) The horrible bland production (...)
After twodisastrousproducedalbums Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot(by the way, do not forget that the TrespassoriginalLPrandomlyget its amazing, 'moody'sound) that"horribleblandproduction"was a reallyfresh air.
Nursery Cryme has been largely 'fixed' now but admittedly was a bit muddy soundwise. Foxtrot is a long way from being disastrous , its just a bit rough and ready but that's never bothered me.
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Posted: February 19 2014 at 13:47
Dancing, Firth, Battle and Cinema. The only track from Foxtrot to rival these four of Genesis' most brilliant pieces is Supper's Ready, IMO, so Selling for me.
^You don't like Can-Utility and the Coastliners Audun? That's without a doubt my favourite track off Foxtrot. An epic with all the pomp and imaginative turnovers delivered in just under 6 minutes.
“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
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Posted: February 19 2014 at 13:56
PabstRibbon wrote:
Foxtrot is a masterpiece from the first seconds to the last ones
Yeah I agree with that. Selling features some of their best tracks too, but there are a couple that aren´t up to par with those great ones on the album too, and that makes it short of perfect. Not that it affects my 5 star rating
^You don't like Can-Utility and the Coastliners Audun? That's without a doubt my favourite track off Foxtrot. An epic with all the pomp and imaginative turnovers delivered in just under 6 minutes.
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Posted: February 19 2014 at 13:59
Guldbamsen wrote:
^You don't like Can-Utility and the Coastliners Audun? That's without a doubt my favourite track off Foxtrot. An epic with all the pomp and imaginative turnovers delivered in just under 6 minutes.
I absolutely adore that track too. The closing minute is pure heaven...
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