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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2016 at 03:16
Land is "owned" by the humans with the bigger guns.  If it cannot be defended, it will be conquered.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2016 at 05:46
^ Only in this case Israel is willing to give it away for peace purposes. See Sinai for example of what Israel is willing to do for peace.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2016 at 09:36
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

The only reason the West is interested in the Middle East is Oil, and the only reason the West is interested in the Eastern Mediterranean Middle East is Religion. Remove those from the equation then it's just a whole pile of Sand and Poor Human Rights. We shouldn't defend any of it.





There is no oil in Israel or at least, very little. There is religion though. But also nightclubs, rock concerts, festivals, and a lot of human rights. As far as sand is concerned, not quite. When you visit , like I did, the surprising amount of vegetation will astound you. The Israelis are masters at irrigation. In fact, it has been whispered , they helped Saudi Arabia via an Austrian company. Confused


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2016 at 09:50
Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

The only reason the West is interested in the Middle East is Oil, and the only reason the West is interested in the Eastern Mediterranean Middle East is Religion. Remove those from the equation then it's just a whole pile of Sand and Poor Human Rights. We shouldn't defend any of it.





There is no oil in Israel or at least, very little. There is religion though. But also nightclubs, rock concerts, festivals, and a lot of human rights. As far as sand is concerned, not quite. When you visit , like I did, the surprising amount of vegetation will astound you. The Israelis are masters at irrigation. In fact, it has been whispered , they helped Saudi Arabia via an Austrian company. Confused


Er, Tszirmay, I think that Dean was being sarcastical and, above all, I think that his comment wasn't made for being interpretated literaly.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2016 at 10:06
Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

The only reason the West is interested in the Middle East is Oil, and the only reason the West is interested in the Eastern Mediterranean Middle East is Religion. Remove those from the equation then it's just a whole pile of Sand and Poor Human Rights. We shouldn't defend any of it.





There is no oil in Israel or at least, very little. There is religion though. But also nightclubs, rock concerts, festivals, and a lot of human rights. As far as sand is concerned, not quite. When you visit , like I did, the surprising amount of vegetation will astound you. The Israelis are masters at irrigation. In fact, it has been whispered , they helped Saudi Arabia via an Austrian company. Confused
I never said there was Oil in Israel. I never mentioned Israel. I chose my words with extreme care and with precision. Stern Smile

I honestly couldn't give a flying fart how well oranges can be made to grow there, allegedly the hanging gardens of Babylon were a wonder to be seen too.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2016 at 10:12
There is oil in Israel
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2016 at 10:21
Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

There is oil in Israel
Enough for internal use. It does not export. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2016 at 10:28
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

The only reason the West is interested in the Middle East is Oil, and the only reason the West is interested in the Eastern Mediterranean Middle East is Religion. Remove those from the equation then it's just a whole pile of Sand and Poor Human Rights. We shouldn't defend any of it.





There is no oil in Israel or at least, very little. There is religion though. But also nightclubs, rock concerts, festivals, and a lot of human rights. As far as sand is concerned, not quite. When you visit , like I did, the surprising amount of vegetation will astound you. The Israelis are masters at irrigation. In fact, it has been whispered , they helped Saudi Arabia via an Austrian company. Confused


Er, Tszirmay, I think that Dean was being sarcastical and, above all, I think that his comment wasn't made for being interpretated literaly.

Errr, CP....Dean, of all people,  does not need anyone to apologize for him, he is perfectly, and i stress, PERFECTLY capable of defending his preciseness and sharp mind set. But you shouldn't interpret that literally! Merci
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2016 at 10:32
Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

There is oil in Israel
Enough for internal use. It does not export. 

It does export petroleum products
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2016 at 10:36
I wouldn't use oil for "internal use", if you see what I mean.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2016 at 10:39
Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

Errr, CP....Dean, of all people,  does not need anyone to apologize for him, he is perfectly, and i stress, PERFECTLY capable of defending his preciseness and sharp mind set. But you shouldn't interpret that literally! Merci
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2016 at 10:46
Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

There is oil in Israel
You must mean cooking oil...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2016 at 10:50
Sagi, do not despair, all these experts have been to Israel via Google Maps , they have seen with their own PC cameras what really goes on in Israel, and they just plain KNOW. Confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2016 at 10:55
Many people automatically cry "Anti-Semitism!!!" whenever anyone criticizes the policies of the Israeli government. Those people are just wrong. The Israeli government does things which are just plain wrong and violate international law and human rights, and such abuses can and should be criticized. That has nothing to do with the fact that they are Jews; occupying foreign territory and denying basic human rights to the people of that territory is always illegitimate, no matter whether you are Jew, Christian, Muslim or whatever. Also no matter whether you are a democracy or not.

Of course Israel has a right to peace and secure borders, but secure borders are always borders on which both sides agree, never ones which one side forces upon the other.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2016 at 10:57
Israel imports oil , in the past from Angola, Colombia, Norway, Mexico, Egypt and lately Russia, Kazakhstan and currently Kurdistan. 
A possibly huge oil deposit is being investigated in the Golan , near Katzrin. As with everything in Israel, within missile and rocket distance. 
Peace, bro ! 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2016 at 10:59
Originally posted by WeepingElf WeepingElf wrote:

Many people automatically cry "Anti-Semitism!!!" whenever anyone criticizes the policies of the Israeli government. Those people are just wrong. The Israeli government does things which are just plain wrong and violate international law and human rights, and such abuses can and should be criticized. That has nothing to do with the fact that they are Jews; occupying foreign territory and denying basic human rights to the people of that territory is always illegitimate, no matter whether you are Jew, Christian, Muslim or whatever. Also no matter whether you are a democracy or not.

Of course Israel has a right to peace and secure borders, but secure borders are always borders on which both sides agree, never ones which one side forces upon the other.

And which side is that? The one that wants peace, I mean. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2016 at 11:02
I never claimed to be an expert. Do you need a link to the Fact Israel exports some petroleum products.?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2016 at 11:09
No thanks... Oil and petroleum products , ce n'est pas la meme chose! 
77% of crude oil is imported from Kurdistan to Israel. Would you like the link? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2016 at 11:15
Not really worth debating^
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2016 at 11:17
Right! Facts suck, don't they ? 
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