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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ I think that Haken are several orders of magnitude more innovative than TFK. I really liked By Royal Decree, and I loved their best albums you mentioned back in the 2000s, but innovative? Not really, they were/are more retro.

I guess I would ask to define "innovative". What is Haken doing that others have not done already like Riverside did 5-8 years earlier? Leprous is more innovative than Haken if you ask me....
Well, to my ears, what Haken does better than Riverside (usually) is make their tracks more interesting and varied. Riverside HAVE been consistent, and I haven't detected much of an evolution in their sound. Now, the evolution can be for better OR for worse. And that'll be up to personal taste as well. I liked the progression of Haken's music from Aquarius through Affinity (Visions probably also my favorite, though I think The Mountain is their most quintessential album), as well as the Restoration EP. I'm not as big on Vector/Virus. Fauna was a grower. Riverside, on the other hand... I can't really think of too many of their tracks and hear them in my head. Granted, I have spent less time getting into them. But I do respect them, and their atmospherics are well produced. But they're missing the exciting factor. Once again, this is all subjective. But Haken have remained influential amongst many newer prog/metal groups. I have read less on Riverside's influence (though they certainly have been influential).

The Flower Kings on the other hand? How many retro symph/neo bands cite TFK specifically as influences? I'm sure they like them, who wouldn't if you play that kind of music? But most of those groups get right to the heart of it and cite Yes before they'd cite TFK.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2023 at 03:10
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

One of the weak spots of this Top 50 Progressive Rock Artists list is that it doesn't show how much Prog Metal has been appreciated 
the last more than 30 years, even its definition of Progressive Rock includes this sub-genre. Something similar can be said concerning 
Electronic Prog and Krautrock.
At the same time, quite a few bands on this list obviously can't be said to be among the 50 most appreciated Prog bands all-time 
which is maybe the weakest point, as it could be argued that these three sub-genres are less relevant in Progressive Rock context.


Edited by David_D - July 22 2023 at 03:42
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At least they are all prog artists, regardless the position in the list.

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I'm amazed they found 50 bands to list.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2023 at 12:59
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

I'm amazed they found 50 bands to list.

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One more list according to somebody's opinion. 
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ I think that Haken are several orders of magnitude more innovative than TFK. I really liked By Royal Decree, and I loved their best albums you mentioned back in the 2000s, but innovative? Not really, they were/are more retro.

I guess I would ask to define "innovative". What is Haken doing that others have not done already like Riverside did 5-8 years earlier? Leprous is more innovative than Haken if you ask me....

Haken do not sound like Riverside at all - now I'm not sure whether you're just trolling Wink

Leprous are definitely cool, and the vocals are somewhat unique. Definitely innovative. But Haken are branching out more and more into Jazz-Fusion and Djent. Aquarius had a unique concept, and it was cool how they made Cockroach King into its own story across several album. Then there was the 80s-retro thing with Affinity. Haven't checkout out Leprous in great detail yet, but that's a tall order to beat ...
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Pitfalls by Leprous is a fantastic album😎
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ I think that Haken are several orders of magnitude more innovative than TFK. I really liked By Royal Decree, and I loved their best albums you mentioned back in the 2000s, but innovative? Not really, they were/are more retro.

I guess I would ask to define "innovative". What is Haken doing that others have not done already like Riverside did 5-8 years earlier? Leprous is more innovative than Haken if you ask me....

Riverside are a beast of a band and should be included but I dont' see them competing with Haken who are more metal orientated. Riverside are more from the Led Zep strand of rock music to my ears.
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Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

And ELP should be much higher as they were among the big 5 when in their peak, but yeah, we are already used to that aren't we?


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 23 2023 at 13:39

I find RYM's and PA's top lists to be clearly more representative for the generel appreciation of various Prog artists, even 
they're not easy to recalculate from albums to bands, and there's quite a difference in their definition of Progressive Rock.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote suitkees Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 23 2023 at 14:44
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

I find RYM's and PA's top lists to be clearly more representative for the generel appreciation of various Prog artists...

Well, duh. Of course they are more representative since the RYM and PA lists are based on a popularity amongst their respective communities (votes of their members), whereas - as they clearly state - the Ultimate Classic Rock list is based on the opinion of just a couple of music critics. Their list does not aim to be representative of anything else than their (those few critics) opinion. Don't read anything else into it.

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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

It's a pretty good list, don't know why Tool and Mars Volta are so high but it's nice and varied and international

I'm mystified as to why The Mars Volta and Tool are rated so highly too, especially considering they have about as much appeal to me as a rusty old spanner. Confused


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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

I find RYM's and PA's top lists to be clearly more representative for the generel appreciation of various Prog artists...

Well, duh. Of course they are more representative since the RYM and PA lists are based on a popularity amongst their respective communities (votes of their members), whereas - as they clearly state - the Ultimate Classic Rock list is based on the opinion of just a couple of music critics. Their list does not aim to be representative of anything else than their (those few critics) opinion. Don't read anything else into it.

good to make this clear and keep it in mind

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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

It's a pretty good list, don't know why Tool and Mars Volta are so high but it's nice and varied and international

I'm mystified as to why The Mars Volta and Tool are rated so highly too, especially considering they have about as much appeal to me as a rusty old spanner. Confused

   Big smile   It's maybe more understandable when looking at RYM's chart:

https://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/album/all-time/g:progressive-rock,progressive-metal/pop:4/ 



Edited by David_D - July 23 2023 at 16:49
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

It's a pretty good list, don't know why Tool and Mars Volta are so high but it's nice and varied and international


I'm mystified as to why The Mars Volta and Tool are rated so highly too, especially considering they have about as much appeal to me as a rusty old spanner. Confused


. Definitely the best post on this page and I am not being sarcastic. Totally agree with you Paul.

Edited by enigmatic - July 23 2023 at 18:04
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Awesoreno Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2023 at 00:15
^Because their appeal to any of you or me or anyone else on this forum means nothing in the face of their influence and critical success in the larger music-listening sphere.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2023 at 01:55

When comparing RYM's chart with PA's top list with regard to Tool and The Mars Volta, there's a big difference concerning 
their ranking, but I guess that RYM's chart is closer to the general appreciation of these two bands than PA's top list - even 
not necessarily among proggers when talking about Tool.
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